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The Young Turks Network (TYT), a popular progressive YouTube channel and news site, has obtained a bombshell internal email related to the Senate committee probing alleged Russian interference in the American political system, and though currently being covered in Russian media, mainstream US media is passing it over without comment.
The email reveals that the Senate committee has deemed anyone "of Russian nationality or Russian descent" relevant to its investigation, which means the Russiagate conspiracy theory and accompanying congressional investigation has officially jumped straight from neo-McCarthyism - smearing anyone that may have had contact with Russian government officials, diplomats or intelligence, and into xenophobia - eyeing any and all Russians or friends of Russians as a potential threat plain and simple, which is far down the slippery slope that many commentators have long predicted.
According to figures published by the Institute of Modern Russia in 2011, based on Census Bureau figures, the Russian American population is estimated to be 3.13 million, or just over one percent of the total US population.
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So are you of "Russian descent" and have any level of interest in US politics - perhaps you occasionally read the newspaper, or have ever called in to a radio talk show? You could be subpoenaed for merely existing on American soil!
originally posted by: Grambler
What next, placing people with russian heritage in internement camps?
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Grambler
What next, placing people with russian heritage in internement camps?
Ouch; when we interned the Japanese Americans it was because we were at world war with the Japanese... And we now accept that was wrong.
When we McCarthyed the communists (or any one we wanted to be communists) it was because we were at cold war with the communists... And we now accept that was wrong.
Now we are going down that same road because ... because... we are at war ... with Donald Trump?
Man we are unhinged up in here.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler
It appears that email is discussing a clarification of the phrase "Russian persons". Which they should clarify, as it is too vague.
Really not much to see here. They used a vague term/phrase and worked to further clarify/define.
Concerning the precise context to the email, TYT reports the following:
On July 27, 2017, Charles C. Johnson, a controversial right-wing media figure, received a letter from Sens. Burr and Warner requesting that he voluntarily provide materials in his possession that are “relevant” to the committee’s investigation. Relevant materials, the letter went on, would include any records of interactions Johnson had with “Russian persons” who were involved in some capacity in the 2016 U.S. elections.
The committee further requested materials related to “Russian persons” who were involved in some capacity in “activities that related in any way to the political election process in the U.S.” Materials may include “documents, emails, text messages, direct messages, calendar appointments, memoranda, [and] notes,” the letter outlined.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Grambler
What next, placing people with russian heritage in internement camps?
Ouch; when we interned the Japanese Americans it was because we were at world war with the Japanese... And we now accept that was wrong.
When we McCarthyed the communists (or any one we wanted to be communists) it was because we were at cold war with the communists... And we now accept that was wrong.
Now we are going down that same road because ... because... we are at war ... with Donald Trump?
Man we are unhinged up in here.
No. We are not going down the same road.
It appears the verbiage used was in the process of being clarified and despite the title of the OP, and both sources used for the article, it does not apply to "anyone". It only applied to the specific request made in one case involving Charles Johnson.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Grambler
What next, placing people with russian heritage in internement camps?
Ouch; when we interned the Japanese Americans it was because we were at world war with the Japanese... And we now accept that was wrong.
When we McCarthyed the communists (or any one we wanted to be communists) it was because we were at cold war with the communists... And we now accept that was wrong.
Now we are going down that same road because ... because... we are at war ... with Donald Trump?
Man we are unhinged up in here.
No. We are not going down the same road.
It appears the verbiage used was in the process of being clarified and despite the title of the OP, and both sources used for the article, it does not apply to "anyone". It only applied to the specific request made in one case involving Charles Johnson.
They then define russian persons as anyone of russian descent.
That is a horrible standard.
So anyone he had contact with that are merely a poll station worker, a journalsits, or any other such thing, and you happen to be of russian heritage, your name needs to be given to the senate committee.
People being supected based merely on their race? thats absurd.
They are saying that anyone this guy has had contact with that he knows or think could possibly have russian descent needs to be provided to the committee.
You can downplay that all you want,
it is a disgusting racist mccarthyist thing to do.
Do you know what that exact clarification was?
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Grambler
What next, placing people with russian heritage in internement camps?
Ouch; when we interned the Japanese Americans it was because we were at world war with the Japanese... And we now accept that was wrong.
When we McCarthyed the communists (or any one we wanted to be communists) it was because we were at cold war with the communists... And we now accept that was wrong.
Now we are going down that same road because ... because... we are at war ... with Donald Trump?
Man we are unhinged up in here.
No. We are not going down the same road.
It appears the verbiage used was in the process of being clarified and despite the title of the OP, and both sources used for the article, it does not apply to "anyone". It only applied to the specific request made in one case involving Charles Johnson.
I don't like Donald Trump as much as the next guy. But seriously we are coming unhinged over his election. A president is simply not THIS important; sure (s)he's important but we have plenty of other government institutions that provide checks and balances. If Donald Trump and his orange skin is really as bad as people think he is than we ride out the sunshower and elect someone better in 3 years. He really isn't worth the hisyeria.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Grambler
What next, placing people with russian heritage in internement camps?
Ouch; when we interned the Japanese Americans it was because we were at world war with the Japanese... And we now accept that was wrong.
When we McCarthyed the communists (or any one we wanted to be communists) it was because we were at cold war with the communists... And we now accept that was wrong.
Now we are going down that same road because ... because... we are at war ... with Donald Trump?
Man we are unhinged up in here.
No. We are not going down the same road.
It appears the verbiage used was in the process of being clarified and despite the title of the OP, and both sources used for the article, it does not apply to "anyone". It only applied to the specific request made in one case involving Charles Johnson.
I don't like Donald Trump as much as the next guy. But seriously we are coming unhinged over his election. A president is simply not THIS important; sure (s)he's important but we have plenty of other government institutions that provide checks and balances. If Donald Trump and his orange skin is really as bad as people think he is than we ride out the sunshower and elect someone better in 3 years. He really isn't worth the hisyeria.
I don't see how this has much to do with Trump.
It's a vague request from a committee and the lawyer, rightfully, worked to get further clarification. I'd like to see what that was, though.