This net neutrality move seems a good thing.

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Phage

No, and I would switch telephone companies, or not use the telephone should that be the case.

What if it was the internet instead of a phone provider?

What if you only had one option for a service provider based upon where you live?

Clearly the same applies as it was in the question presented.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Yes fees. Fees to maintain the infrastructure.

How did this increase their maintenance costs?

So yes.

So why did they accede?

Running an ISP or cell network requires 27/7 maintenance. Only when you add something to the network do you find the bottlenecks.

And they did so because of litigation and the matter already making the news rounds.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

The thing is, if an ISP does this, you can change your DNS

Changing your DNS won't help if what you want is not on your ISP's pipe.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: JinMI

Not everyone has that option. I don't. Which means, without Title II, my phone company can do anything it wants to do.

Who would the phone company tell you you couldn't call?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Phage

No, and I would switch telephone companies, or not use the telephone should that be the case.

What if it was the internet instead of a phone provider?

What if you only had one option for a service provider based upon where you live?

Clearly the same applies as it was in the question presented.

You said you would change phone providers. I asked about internet companies (some of which are the same as phone providers, some which aren't).

So, if you don't have the option to change providers because there are no options, you would simply 'give up' the internet with nary a complaint?

I find that hard to believe.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Running an ISP or cell network requires 27/7 maintenance.

And traffic affects that how?

And they did so because of litigation and the matter already making the news rounds.

So it wasn't really causing traffic problems. They just wanted to make more money by limiting access to a certain popular website unless you paid more money.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wardaddy454

The thing is, if an ISP does this, you can change your DNS

Changing your DNS won't help if what you want is not on your ISP's pipe.

Which is not the case. Ever.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Who would the phone company tell you you couldn't call?

Someone on another phone network which is competing with them. Of course, you could pay more for that extra service.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Actually, if you had been paying attention. It has. Do we have to go through that list again?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Running an ISP or cell network requires 27/7 maintenance.

And traffic affects that how?

And they did so because of litigation and the matter already making the news rounds.

So it wasn't really causing traffic problems. They just wanted to make more money by limiting access to a certain popular website unless you paid more money.

High traffic means more has to be done to ensure a smoother experience. Maintenance does not exclusively mean repairing in this instance.

No. The app (not a website) was causing issue because people were trying to send video and audio encoding equal to 480-720p over cellular.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Actually, if you had been paying attention. It has. Do we have to go through that list again?

Out of curiosity, does this have any effect on you? Either way?

We're already discussing that "list".

a reply to: Liquesence

You said you would change phone providers. I asked about internet companies (some of which are the same as phone providers, some which aren't).

Yes, I would not use them if they participated in things that I felt were predatory or grossly profitable without any reason.

So, if you don't have the option to change providers because there are no options, you would simply 'give up' the internet with nary a complaint?

Chance are if that I am not using them, I'm probably not alone. Thus this creates a market.

I find that hard to believe.

I'm sure you do. Folks seem to think government holds all the answers to their ills. Curiously enough, there have been plenty of small ISP's that went caput since 2015. I have a feeling they will be making a comeback. Assuming they have a market.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

High traffic means more has to be done to ensure a smoother experience.

Pretty sure that sort of thing is automated.

Out of curiosity, how would this affect you? Either way.

a reply to: JinMI

there have been plenty of small ISP's that went caput since 2015.

Because of Title II?

Can you provide a few examples?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Who would the phone company tell you you couldn't call?

Someone on another phone network which is competing with them. Of course, you could pay more for that extra service.

See, I remember it differently. Free usage to people on the same network, and you paid to call people of other networks. You paid for the use of the line regardless.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wardaddy454




Pretty sure that sort of thing is automated.

No, there aren't robots or programs maintaining the network.

Out of curiosity, how would this affect you? Either way.

Which part?

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Free usage to people on the same network, and you paid to call people of other networks.

Long distance fees, yes. That's allowed under Title II.
Do you pay more to call users of competing cell service?

a reply to: Wardaddy454

No, there aren't robots or programs maintaining the network.

Are you talking about physical maintenance? More traffic requires more physical maintenance? All those 1s and 0s create a lot of wear and tear?

Which part?

Any of it. If you are in Somewhere in Eastern Europe (I know that doesn't really mean you are).

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Free usage to people on the same network, and you paid to call people of other networks.

Long distance fees, yes. That's allowed under Title II.
Do you pay more to call users of competing cell service?

No. But that doesn't mean I would without title II.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Wardaddy454

No, there aren't robots or programs maintaining the network.

Are you talking about physical maintenance? More traffic requires more physical maintenance? All those 1s and 0s create a lot of wear and tear?

Which part?

Any of it. If you are in Somewhere in Eastern Europe (I know that doesn't really mean you are).

It actually does believe it or not. Think about your computer, whether you have a regular platter hard drive or a vnand/nvme solid state, over time that will give out. The more read/write cycles (1s and 0s) the drive has to perform, the faster it wears out.

And no, I'm not in eastern Europe..