China 'constructing REFUGEE CAMPS’ for North Korea defectors if 'Kim's regime implodes'

I would actually love to take in N-Korean refugees. Because they deserve it, they will be grateful and hard working and definitively an asset to any country.
...and what do we get?

a reply to: Hecate666

I agree. In fact, we took in a lot of Vietnamese in the 70's. A know a few 2nd generation folks. All of them excelled in school and are either in or on the way to great careers.

a reply to: intrptr

Perhaps the proximity and similarity of cultures had something to do with Russia's ease? Can't say the same for Europe can you? Apples and oranges, but nice try.
Also, why did the U.S. invade NOKO? Oh yeah, that's right, to beat back the Communist invasion of the South and insure against the Soviet influence on the peninsula as a whole.
But I guess that was a bad move huh? Do you have a N.Korean flag on your wall at home too? Wow.

a reply to: Gravelbone

Do you have a N.Korean flag on your wall at home too? Wow.

Do you have a Nazi flag on yours?

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Kim has seen what happened to the regimes of Muammar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein.

He won't go quietly into the night is the same manner as those regimes did.

Nor should he really considering whos perpetrating his downfall.

It might all end in tears, irradiated tears that is, for the whole peninsula, unless we stop meddling in affairs that are none of our concern.

I'd think we(US military)would be foolish if we didn't alert China,Russia of our intentions.I:E not against them!!

a reply to: intrptr

Typical retort by someone of your ilk. When you can't address the issue, scream Nazi. So weak.
No I don't, thanks. But dont let that distract from your support of North Korea. By all means, let Kim continue to subjugate his people while we stand idly by.
What else ya got besides deflection?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

Kim has seen what happened to the regimes of Muammar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein.

He won't go quietly into the night is the same manner as those regimes did.

Nor should he really considering whos perpetrating his downfall.

It might all end in tears, irradiated tears that is, for the whole peninsula, unless we stop meddling in affairs that are none of our concern.

Ah, therein lies the rub. We can and should meddle in the affairs of someone bragging how they're going to destroy America while at the same time developing and demonstrating nuclear capability. Remember how Saddam liked to talk tough about exotic cannons and chemical weapons? Talk tough and the tough start paying attention.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

And yet Russia, India, Pakistan, China and most probably Israel still remain unaccosted by the U.S.

How come their nuclear capabilities are not brought in to question or directly challenged in the same manner North Koreas are being?

Why don't the U.S/U.K/U.N pick on someone that can actually hit back in any kind of meaningful manner?

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

CHINA is “constructing refugee camps” for North Korean defectors in the event Kim Jong-un’s regime implodes, a leaked document has claimed.

[url=https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/891111/North-Korea-China-Kim-Jong-un-USA-Xi-Jinping-Changbai-County-Donald-Trump-Beijing]China 'constructing REFUGEE CAMPS’ for North Korea defectors if 'Kim's regime implodes'
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I don't see why China would construct camps.

They already have entire cities and towns, all built up, and empty.

Why more construction?

a reply to: AMPTAH

Well, there is the answer to Chinas mysterious empty cities.

After all they had to be building them and not populating them for some reason.

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: tayton
Depends whose propaganda you listen too.

There are high rises empty in Spain too.

The private companies who invest in these buildings will not allow refugees to live in them.

Not cities though, not even one whole city. That would be crazy.

So instead of listening to propaganda, look at the satellite images. They show numerous huge cities for a million people each, with no cars.

The ghost towns of China: Amazing satellite images show cities meant to be home to millions lying deserted

I don't think they are intended for refugees from North Korea though, or if that story is even true, but they seem to have empty cities for difficult to comprehend reasons. Here's a 60 minutes segment about them:

60 Minutes Report - China's Ghost Cities

Again, you can do more than just "listen", you can see them on camera.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
Oh yeah?

Well North Korea is building refugee camps for when the rest of the world implodes.

Game set match.

Probably just new Apple facilities for the new cheaper slave labor market.When would N Korea least expect an attack? During the winter Olympics of course. I'm sure Trump will give China and Russia a heads up before things heat up.

a reply to: Gravelbone

Typical retort by someone of your ilk.

The ilks are the bullies invading little countries while blaming them, just like the Nazis did. And Romans, Greeks, Spanish English, French, NATO, etc.

If the s*** fits wear it. Be proud of your ilk.

a reply to: intrptr

No sense arguing with someone who cannot stay on topic or even in this century. You don't even have a point.
Just more deflection and whiny nonsense.
Again, should the world just stand by while this regime holds its own people hostage? Or can you not answer that?

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
There's more in the article but nothing that gives the impression of a planned campaign by China to take out Kim. But, the Chinese may know something we don't. It could be the US has warned China.

The execution of Un's uncle and the assassination of Un's brother is a direct result of China. China was approached by the uncle to discuss removing Un and replacing him with his half brother. A Chinese intelligence officer tipped off the N. Koreans at which point the uncle was arrested and executed.

Un's half brother all of a sudden started receiving a protection detail from the Chinese government. His travel to where he was murdered was one of the countries his Chinese security detail could not travel to.

* - Did Kim Jong-un kill his uncle and brother over 'coup plot involving China'?
* - Wikileaks Diplomatic cables -Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

The leaked North Korea dispatches detail how:

• South Korea's vice-foreign minister said he was told by two named senior Chinese officials that they believed Korea should be reunified under Seoul's control, and that this view was gaining ground with the leadership in Beijing.

• China's vice-foreign minister told US officials that Pyongyang was behaving like a "spoiled child" to get Washington's attention in April 2009 by carrying out missile tests.

• A Chinese ambassador warned that North Korean nuclear activity was "a threat to the whole world's security".

• Chinese officials assessed that it could cope with an influx of 300,000 North Koreans in the event of serious instability, according to a representative of an international agency, but might need to use the military to seal the border.

Click links for full articles...

North Korea and the problem created is a direct result of China's policies over the years. China, imo, has come to the same conclusion and is trying to figure out how to work both sides. The last thing China wants is a close US ally directly on China's borders however China does not want N. Korea to put China into a position that destroys economic connections with the west / US.

China has to decide whats better for their people:
- protecting N. Korea and not getting anything out of it but continued troubles.
- writing N. Korea off as a direct threat to Chinas economy, security and world standing.


War is coming however what i looks like and entails is up in the air. To try and keep a status quo would be for China to invade N. Korea and deploy their military there to maintain stability or to effect a coup and send in the military to prop up the new government.

Another alternative discussed in the diploleaks is to remove the N. Korean leadership, allow S. Korea to absorb the north while agreeing that no US troops would be allowed north of the current DMZ. That plan is similar to the reunification of East and W. Germany. West Germany absorbed the east and NATO agreed they would not place troops on former E. German territory (West Berlin excluded). That setup worked and still is in place.

With China doing this and Russia reinforcing its border with N. Korea I would guess something is in the works that neither Russia nor china can stop so they are preparing for the aftermath.

a reply to: Gravelbone

You don't think keeping a significant proportion of our own respective populations in financial and socioeconomic limbo amounts to us holding our own citizens as hostages?

The only difference is we kill our hostages slowly or by proxy so as not to appear to get blood on our hands.

a reply to: andy06shake

Changing the argument, AGAIN. I'll humor your deflection.
Yes, I think all citizens of the world are held hostage by their own government, in one form, or all, if you consider N.Korea.
We aren't talking about the U.S. we are talking about N.Korea. Another non-rebuttal. Try again.

a reply to: Gravelbone

"should the world just stand by while this regime holds its own people hostage? Or can you not answer that?"

You posed the question, so what happens when the shoe is on the other foot?

We do to our own people terrible nasty things, practiced eugenics right up until the 1960s, and if truth be told, have had our hands dirty or have been involved in mass genocide and religious cleansing in many a nation by proxy or UN sponsor.

"should the world just stand by while this regime holds its own people hostage?"

YES, unfortunately, but we won't because there is monies and spoils of war to be had, nothing to do with Kim's treatment of the North Korean people really.

As anyone with half a brain can clearly discern, it's about monies, corporations and replacing one evil bastard with another of our own choosing.

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

I have said this before here.

The fix is already in when it comes to US and NoKo relationship, If north Korea continues down the path it seems to be hell bent on following a war is not a question of if, but when.

I think Pres. Trump is playing it as smooth as he can, NoKo can not be allowed to threaten Japan and the US with nuclear destruction. When they demonstrate they have thermonuclear weapons able to be delivered by a reliable ICBM, that is when the strike will happen.

We will have to DESTROY NoKo by conventional strikes with possible tactical nuclear strikes with sub megaton weapons. China will not allow this to occur on their border so they will most likely 'manage' the northern border of NoKo. reason 1. they don't want the fall out blowing into their territory and 2. a unmanagable refugee situation.

Russia and China do NOT want US bases on the North Korean boarder so it will be in their best interests to prepare for the inevitable hordes of refugees, and will give them a reason to keep military forces on the border to keep the US out.

China obviously see this coming to blows.