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posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 02:55 PM
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Turkey has evidence of US arming terror groups
www.middleeastmonitor.com...




Turkey will “soon” share evidence that the United States has supplied the PKK/PYD terrorist organization with arms, the country’s foreign minister said Friday.

Speaking to foreign media representatives in Istanbul, Mevlut Cavusoglu said the US “is repeating a mistake” with the approval of secret cooperation between the Daesh and PKK/PYD terrorist groups in Syria.

Pentagon spokesman Eric Pahon on Tuesday defended the deal, saying it was part of a “local solution to a local issue”.

But Cavusoglu warned that “YPG [PKK/PYD] is gaining more and more territory, which is a very risky development”.

Referring to the “good cooperation between YPG and Daesh – between two terrorist organizations,” he said:

“Nobody denies it. We have been telling our US allies and others in the coalition that there is no difference between YPG and the PKK and that YPG is not fighting for freedom or the unity of the country but fighting to gain more territory in the country.”

Criticizing the US for not keeping its promise that PKK/PYD forces would withdraw from Raqqa, he said:

“They have not been able to pull back YPG from any town… Now, you see the statement which said they would continue to work with YPG.”

“We are going to share soon the photos and evidence showing weapons that the US has been giving to YPG and also weapons made in other coalition states, including Germany.”


It has been said many times that US has funded terrorism and supplied military weapons to terrorist groups in middle east, who at that time, were told to media they were allies in fighting terrorism. It has also been said that Turkey helped with faking passports of terrorist organizations. Is this some sort of blackmail going on by Turkey towards the US as spearheaded by the Minister of Foreign Affairs Mevlut Cavusoglu?

If this evidence is damning, how will Trump react to this? Or is this some sort of Fake News propaganda again?
edit on 18-11-2017 by Skywatcher2011 because: (no reason given)




posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Simple product being sold, corps got to grow profits.

Right?



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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Somebody should tell him that the US pretty openly sent arms and support to the YPG. So openly that it's even on their Wiki page.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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jsut because Turk's considers YPG a terror group does not mean every one does

www.theguardian.com...

The YPG has been instrumental in retaking territory from Isis. And it will be at the forefront of the coming battle to retake Raqqa as part of the Syrian Democratic Force, the umbrella militia that is ethnically dominated by Arabs but is spearheaded by the YPG and its Kurdish fighters. Washington’s decision on Tuesday to directly arm the YPG and equip it with heavy weaponry is a game-changer for US relations with Syria’s Kurds – and, potentially, for the way western governments engage with armed groups, to reflect the emerging regional order. Supplying the YPG in this way comes with responsibilities. Turkey fears the ascendancy of the YPG, which is the sister-group of the Kurdistan Workers’ party (PKK), an organisation that has fought the Turkish state for 40 years. What worries Ankara is the emergence of an autonomous Kurdish region along its borders acting as a launchpad for attacks on Turkish soil, and this concern cannot be ignored. Isolating the second-largest military force within Nato – a traditionally indispensable component of the western-led liberal international order (an order that, granted, might be debatable today) and a regional power that constrains the hegemonic ambitions of Iran and Russia – could bring more costs than benefits for both the region and the international community.
so i dont see a problem with what be have been admittdely been doing for a while now in a fight against ISIS
www.hurriyetdailynews.com...

“We’ve long supported the YPG within the context of the SDF, the Syrian Democratic Forces that are operating in northern Syria,” Toner said, responding to questions during a press briefing on March 8. “They’ve been very effective – we’ve talked about this many times – in removing ISIS from the battlefield, dislodging them, and ultimately destroying them,” he said, using another acronym for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). “I think they’ve liberated some 6,000 kilometers and more than 100 villages from ISIS around Raqqa since the operation began on November 4th [2016]. We’re also obviously mindful of Turkey’s concerns with respect to the YPG and we respectfully disagree with them linking the YPG with the PKK. And let’s be very clear that, with respect to the PKK, we still view them as a terrorist organization,” he said.
we do list the PKK as a terrorist organization though

time.com... this covers why the turks and kurds have beef

Kurds are an ethnic minority that live in parts of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. They have been persecuted for decades — from Turkey’s suppression of Kurdish identity and banning of Kurdish language to Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical weapons on Kurdish communities. Their leaders, from the numerous different parties and rebel groups that represent them, have long sought an independent Kurdish state encompassing that territory and have fought against their respective governments to try to achieve that. For decades, Turkey fought the PKK in a guerrilla war to push for sovereignty in Kurdish areas of Turkey, but for the past two years the parties have had a truce and were engaged in a peace process. In recent days, Turkey has arrested hundreds of Kurdish activists and politicians and hit the PKK with more than 450 strikes, according to Kurdish leaders. The Turkish government hasn’t said how may air raids it has carried out or who were the targets. Hoshang Waziri, a political analyst based in Erbil, says the Kurds’ recent territorial gains in Syria along Turkey’s border and their increasing political legitimacy in the eyes of the West, have made the Kurds a bigger threat to Turkey than ISIS. “The fear of the Turkish state started with the Kurdish defeat of ISIS in Tel Abyad,” says Waziri.
personally id rather have the kurds around then ISIS ,and the kurds have been persecuted for a long long time and we have not done enough to help them as we have kind of owed it to them since we toppled the ottomans

www.bbc.com...

In the early 20th Century, many Kurds began to consider the creation of a homeland - generally referred to as "Kurdistan". After World War One and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, the victorious Western allies made provision for a Kurdish state in the 1920 Treaty of Sevres. Advertisement Such hopes were dashed three years later, however, when the Treaty of Lausanne, which set the boundaries of modern Turkey, made no provision for a Kurdish state and left Kurds with minority status in their respective countries. Over the next 80 years, any move by Kurds to set up an independent state was brutally quashed.
last time i checked the Kurds have committed no genocide but the Turks sure as hell have ,and with the kurds being victims of genocide themselves i can see why they enjoy being relatively heavily armed for the regions military groups .
uk.gov.krd...

WHAT HAPPENED IN THE KURDISH GENOCIDE Hundreds of thousands of men, women and children were executed during a systematic attempt to exterminate the Kurdish population in Iraq in the Anfal operations in the late 1980s. They were tied together and shot so they fell into mass graves. Their towns and villages were attacked by chemical weapons, and many women and children were sent to camps where they lived in appalling conditions. Men and boys of ‘battle age’ were targeted and executed en masse. The campaign takes its name from Suratal-Anfal in the Qur’an. Al Anfal literally means the spoils (of war) and was used to describe the military campaign of extermination and looting commanded by Ali Hassan al-Majid. The Ba’athists misused what the Qur’an says. Anfal in the Qur’an does not refer to genocide, but the word was used as a code name by the former Iraqi Ba’athist regime for the systematic attacks against the Kurdish population. The campaign also targeted the villages of minority communities including Christians.
guess the turks want them unarmed so they can finish what Iraq started in the 80s. just remember one peoples terror group is another's freedom fighters



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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guess the turks want them unarmed so they can finish what Iraq started in the 80s. just remember one peoples terror group is another's freedom fighters


Yep. Can't imagine why the Turks have labelled them terrorists and want them cut off from any support.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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It appears that his concern is that the terrorist groups are growing bigger and pose a threat to the whole region. They are not doing as they are supposed to do. Hasn't our Military learned that supplying any terrorist group is a bad idea yet, they gain power then they do not listen anymore and someone has to go after them and stop them or they combine and send people to disrupt every country including us.

I bet this started under Obama, he seemed to like to disrupt Muslim countries.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

The first big event I'm aware of was in the 2015 fight for Raqqa, the US was airdropping supplies and arms to YPG.

Though, for what it's worth, there's been rumors of Russia also arming the same groups though no definite evidence of it has come to light.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

A trillion dollars of military spending at stake. Follow the money.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

www.kurdistan24.net... seems they are arming them sort of ,or at least providing training and sending their vehicles around in their formations as some kind of protection and or statement ,but it seem there are rumors of russia wanting to build an air base in their territory


Addressing the US' arming of the YPG, Putin said, “I heard the statement made by the Turkish president when the US announced they were going to supply arms to Kurds. We have not followed suit.” Russia recently made a show of force in Afrin by sending flag-mounted tanks and a number of soldiers on patrol alongside Kurdish fighters. The YPG spokesperson Redur Xelil said in an earlier interview that an agreement was made on March 19 with Russia to set up an airbase in the Syrian Kurdish province of Afrin to help combat terrorism. A week later, a group of Russian military experts arrived in Afrin with military-grade vehicles, stating Russian military staff and specialists would train the YPG forces. The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, however, denied the news related to the development of an airbase.
from above source

www.hurriyetdailynews.com... and it seems russia intends to keep ties with the kurds over turkish objections but again denies officially arming them. from 2nd source

Russia considers it right to maintain working contacts with Kurdish groups in Syria despite Turkey’s objections, as they are “fighting against terrorists,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said on May 15. “As the Kurdish factor is a real factor in the situation in Syria and Kurdish armed formations are taking part in combat operations against ISIL and are among the most combat efficient units, we consider it right to maintain working contacts with them, even at least for avoiding possible collisions and situations that could create threats to our servicemen,” the Russian leader said in Beijing. When asked whether Russia supplies the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) with arms, Putin said that Moscow, “unlike the U.S. doesn’t do that.”
so with America arming them ,and Russia providing training and public support the Kurd's have the support of the two super powers against Turkey the Regional one.

and throw in growing Chinese support for the Kurd's that kind of makes it two super powers and one of the up and coming super powers china all supporting the Kurd's albeit in china's case economic support as opposed to overt military aid .
thediplomat.com...

Chinese energy giant Sinopec’s $8.27 billion purchase of Addax, a Swiss-Canadian oil company with extensive investments in Iraqi Kurdistan, in 2009 was the most striking example of Beijing’s increased willingness to assert its economic influence in Iraqi Kurdistan. As Kurdish oil producers frequently offer more favorable deal terms to foreign investors than Iraqi government-owned oil companies, Sinopec used its financial stake in Iraqi Kurdistan’s oil industry to develop the Taq Taq oil field and create 16 new oil wells in Iraqi Kurdistan from 2009-2013. As the Iraqi government has imposed legal restrictions on foreign investment in Iraqi Kurdistan’s oil industry, which have been supported intermittently by the United States, the secession of Iraqi Kurdistan would allow China to cut lucrative bilateral deals with Kurdish companies with fewer regulatory obstacles.
although china may get backlash for established ally Iraq over this issue



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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Not too far from the truth, sometimes it is a necessary evil....
www.youtube.com...
edit on 18-11-2017 by Plotus because: War, is Hell



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
Somebody should tell him that the US pretty openly sent arms and support to the YPG. So openly that it's even on their Wiki page.


And coincidentally, it was Turkey that was both caught smuggling ISIS oil (HERE and HERE) and caught allowing the ISIS slave trade on its territory (HERE and HERE).

Who do they think they're fooling?
edit on 18-11-2017 by enlightenedservant because: misspelled word



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Turkey's been at war with the Kurdish people for decades. There are significant Kurdish populations in connected regions in Turkey, Syria, and Iraq. And they long for the establishment of their homeland Kurdistan, which they were initially promised after WW1 but the West reneged on the deal. Anyway, Turkey sees the independence and empowerment of any Kurdish groups as a threat to their own territory, because they fear it will provoke their own Kurdish population to rebel and try to secede.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Oops!

Think the Erdogan Regime forgot about the Clowns In America coup???

People should really listen to what Turkey/Qatar have to say about the origins/financing/arming of ISIS/Al Qaeda.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

OP. turkey is full of it. limp wrist is just mad he got caught selling ISIS oil.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: rickymouse

The first big event I'm aware of was in the 2015 fight for Raqqa, the US was airdropping supplies and arms to YPG.

Though, for what it's worth, there's been rumors of Russia also arming the same groups though no definite evidence of it has come to light.


So the fact of the matter remains the US has been funding out of control terrorist groups in Syria. Supplying them with weponary and intelligence. and is subsequently responsible for the death and misplacement of millions.
Thats old news. Thats what they have planned all along. Have a read of the Pentagon Papers if in doubt. Also covered by Wikileaks.

Another manufactured war in the middle east.

Wake Up Peeps



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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Right I am no fan of rogue element's in the US though I am actually a great supporter of the US itself so my opinion can be measured by that.

Erdogan through his son had link's to I.S., they were buying oil from I.S. and you have to ask yourself WHAT were they paying them with.

Now Turkey has changed allies and is moving itself into ever closer cooperation and friendship with Russia despite there long history of mutual animosity, this is because Erdigan is actually an Islamist himself and currently this serves his own ideological agenda.

Turkey was the main back door and covert supporter of I.S. other than Saudi Arabia (or perhaps element's within Saudi Arabia) itself.

So I say even though I do believe some rogue element's in the US did indeed do so, perhaps with collusion in government to the highest level's that this is actually a pile of Crap which is merely being used to further Erdigan and Putin's own agenda, remember Putin's Russia has just once again prevented an extension to the investigation into the use of Chemical weapon's in Syria by Assad's regime - and possibly by the Russian's as well.

So what I see is a game of chair's being played, currently the US is the target as new alliances are formed - a bitter pill indeed since without the US Turkey would be a poor country now since losing there empire with the end of the Ottoman period.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

There's another angle when it comes to Turkey and Russia. Turkey is a major member of NATO, theoretically contributing the 2nd largest number of troops to NATO (only the US contributes more). However, Turkey's also been trying to join the EU for years now, but they keep getting rebuffed and delayed.

So anything that gets Turkey and Russia to work closer together is always seen as a veiled threat to NATO. From Russia's perspective, they'd love to see a staunch pillar of NATO join their side because it would both weaken NATO and increase their own defense sales. And the West would hate to lose Turkey's NATO contributions, even though they don't seem too eager to let Turkey be a part of the EU.



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 08:15 PM
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....and the US will not say anything about Turkey supplying jihadis and arms for ISIS and getting oil in exchange.

edit on 18-11-2017 by pavil because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

And to what use will this "Evidence" be employed?

Maybe the very word itself is supposed to be scary?

Evidence! WOOOOOO!



posted on Nov, 18 2017 @ 10:38 PM
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The US routinely plays all sides against each other.

The only surprising thing about this story is how the people that run Turkey did not already know this.




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