When is 'Diversity' Discrimination?

a reply to: Blaine91555

Husband was in the hiring and firing side of things for a while and got to see all the politics involved with it. I am surprised this would be played so overtly though. It's as bad as the email sent through the DNC structure.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Blaine91555

Husband was in the hiring and firing side of things for a while and got to see all the politics involved with it. I am surprised this would be played so overtly though. It's as bad as the email sent through the DNC structure.

Yea, kinda odd to see those disillusioned by their "education" who truly believe that to end discrimination, we have to discriminate MORE to solve the worlds problems?

Let's look at the current flow of the so called "educated" on our college campuses to "segregate" because they are scared of "white people"!

Boy did Marx set the idiots up for their own demise...............

I have never understood why diversity is valued.

People work and live best in groups of like-minded individuals.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Diversity is always discrimination or at least when it is required diversity.

And one thing I have noticed. Every time I see somebody in charge of diversity at a school or business, they are never white males. Not very diverse.

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I guess there is such a thing as "controlled" diversity. Diversity is a concept which to some translates meaning we should accept differences. But if you were in control of organizing different coloured rocks in a box and meant to have diverse colors, and it's already full of red ones, then yeah your job is to get rid of some red ones and get different ones.
Diversity is almost the opposite of discrimination in the context of race in society. However their root definitions do not share this same opposition. If you have it soley in the context of race in society, about accepting or declining of races, she did cross the fence over to the discrimination aspect.

originally posted by: Metallicus
I have never understood why diversity is valued.

People work and live best in groups of like-minded individuals.

Maybe but if you are in a group that is completely like minded in a work environment and there is a problem, then you are going to have problems coming up with solutions that are outside the "group box." A group that can come at the issue from diverse angles is going to have a better chance of hitting on that solution.

However, diversity of thought has little to do with diversity of appearance.

originally posted by: Metallicus
I have never understood why diversity is valued.

You know exactly why they are shoving diversity down our throats.

People work and live best in groups of like-minded individuals.

See, you just answered your 1st question.

Diversity - related to words such as divide , division
Came from the Latin word divertere meaning turn aside.
Spawned an English word divert.

Any questions ?
I hate the term diversity. Why not use a better term - unity or unification ?
Our good old political shills at work...
Keep em diversified

it's always discrimination because diversity always means less white

we are not accepting white candidates because we are driving diversity

Typical corporate bull#. I keep telling people corporatism is evil and business is the biggest danger to humanity, maybe some people will finally get a few brain cells stimulated and wake up.

We need to weaken the corporate system as much as possible by divesting from big business and supporting smaller businesses and government spending over slavery to all powerful, immoral, inhuman corporations. We need more socialism.

Wouldve told HR to piss off from the start of the diversity bull# .

Then would find and hire the candidate most qualified with skills and experience to do the job theyre hired to do .

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Not wanting to suggest your story is not entirely accurate, but have never heard of a HR department specifying the race and gender of a position that be filled when there is no connection to the role.

Here in the UK it would be illegal.

Not in Scotland it isn't..The Scottish Executive has a "Fresh Talent Initiative". I was working at a company called Spider Systems during a rather political time. They had been desperate to seek development funds to do R&D. They applied to the Scottish Economic Council to get a £120K grant. Up until then all their market customers had been small and medium sized companies. A deliberate decision to avoid competing against multinationals. One of their sales guys decided to put in a bid for a national contract. He practiced each and every day for his presentation and then did it live in front of the customer. He won the company a £180 million public sector contract, as well as a 2.5% sales commission for himself, a cool £2 million of taxpayers money. Directors asked if he would like to donate the bonus and invest in the company instead. Needless to say, all hell broke loose. He refused, and was fired. It looked like the director were taking the piss by begging for money in one hand and dishing out bumper bonuses in another. Next thing one of our competitors recruited our two architects, leaving the company direction-less. We had no roadmap or other future path. Our team leaders knew this and that the company was now drifting. In typical knee-jerk reaction, the Scottish EXecutive instructed our company "not to promote anyone any further, and to bring in foreign talent instead, a Fresh Talent Initiative". So everyone started leaving.

Canada had a similar affirmative action program with the Hong Kong Chinese, back in the 1990's. They were to be given the best jobs as they were under-represented. Then people get promoted and get to influence hiring. As "KnightFire" pointed out, each social clique hires from their alumni.

originally posted by: ketsuko
At what point were you tempted to tell your HR person to get off her lazy butt and do the paperwork so you could have a qualified candidate over the Indian candidate who knew nothing about what the position required?

And you also wonder at what point the HR lady was about to tell you to train the Indian candidate from scratch in things she had no knowledge of just to avoid having to fill out that paperwork?

Well, I did tell her that if there was paperwork that was needed she will be the one to provide it. Training, that's a laugh. That would have all been on my shoulders paid for out of my budget, not HR's.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: KnightFire


You don't work for a Conservative Corporation!!! You work for a corporation who bows down to Political Correctness and Cultural Marxism.

Seeker, I believe you hit the nail on the head. On the billboard, a conservative corporation. In the darkness, yeah, that's a different story.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: KnightFire


Diversity is always discrimination or at least when it is required diversity.

And one thing I have noticed. Every time I see somebody in charge of diversity at a school or business, they are never white males. Not very diverse.

The Talent recruiter I'm working with is a white female in her mid to late 30's. But, I do agree, most of the time when diversity is jammed down our throats it's from a groups of people whom are not very diverse.

originally posted by: Edumakated
Your team sounds pretty diverse. I've worked at some lily white companies in the past and I do think companies need to make more of an effort to get out of their comfort zone when it comes to hiring, but that does not mean hiring unqualified candidates.

A lot of times, government mandates drive a lot of these decisions, not common sense. HR may be thinking they may run into some issues with government for not being diverse enough...

Actually, the company I work for is very diverse at all levels of leadership and at the associate levels. That why I was taken back from the position the talent recruiter was taking with me which makes me believe there is something further driving this behavior. It definitely doesn't seem ethical to me.

originally posted by: Krakatoa
Is the HR person an Indian Female? If not, then perhaps her job should be the one needing to be diversified? I am sure the skills needed for that job are more than possible for that diverse of a candidate.

I wonder how the HR person would have felt had you recommended that option to satisfy the diversity requirement?

The HR Talent recruiter is a white female in her mid to later 30's. I did provide some feed back letting her know that I was offended at her comments and that what she was telling me to do was unethical. She didn't like my feed back. LOL

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: KnightFire

Perhaps you could have your white female candidate "identify" as someone of Indian descent?

How about a white male candidate that Identifies as transgender of Indian descent? That would definitely get them off my back and I would have more luck finding someone like that with COBOL mainframe skill sets versus an Indian woman in her early 40's.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Not wanting to suggest your story is not entirely accurate, but have never heard of a HR department specifying the race and gender of a position that be filled when there is no connection to the role.

Here in the UK it would be illegal.

You kind of did suggest that. But I can tell you, my story is entirely true. You can look at my history of threads I've posted and this is the only personal thread I've ever posted. It's because this situation has pissed me off so much I just couldn't hold it in any longer.

Outside of that, it's illegal in the US as well, but only if it can be proven to be fact in a court of law. We don't have to look very far to see an HR department specifying and hiring those of certain gender and race, all we have to do is take a look at the US government and the State governments.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: KnightFire

How do you know the HR women is just not on a crusade to get more women in IT and it has nothing to do with company policy?

If she was on a crusade to get more women in IT, that would be one thing. She gave very specific details as to who the candidate should be even craving out the young Asian women I interviewed. She was not acceptable to her criteria in which she was demanding of me to follow. So, I don't believe if was just a more women in IT kind of thing.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: KnightFire

I work in the business world for a very large conservative corporation that praises themselves as a corporation that is very diverse.

That caught my eye in your post. A "conservative" business would put the interests of the business first and hire the most qualified. That kind of discrimination, which by the way is technically illegal in the US, is what you would expect from a liberal minded company. Not judging either way, but that is just how it is. If that's policy, it's a hidden policy, which I suppose is not all that unusual. Is the company large enough to fall under federal laws?

I'm curious, why would you call a company with policies like that "conservative"? Are you saying they are pretending to be the opposite for cover?

Yes your team is so diverse that no sane person would ever question it's makeup. You sure your not dealing with person who is acting on their own, based on their own bias and perhaps it has nothing to do with company policy?

Is this talent management recruiter perhaps young and fresh out of college?

First let me say, I have been working for this company for 20 years and this is the first time any talent recruiters has put these specific guidelines on a position I have opened up to fill. The company I work for has over 60,000 employees and is a Fortune 50 company with a yearly profit of over $40 billion. No where in thier policies of hiring guideline does it state that we are to hire based on gender or race and if we do, we can be terminated immediately.

The recruiter is not fresh out of college, she is a white female in her mid to late 30's. I've worked with her for the past 10 years and not once before did she give me any requires to race and gender before. That is why I'm so taken back from all of this. That is why I'm actually posting something personal on this open forum so that I can get some good opinions so I don't blow a casket and say something at work that I may regret. It's easier and safer for me to vent on ATS than it is to vent openly at work or on Facebook, because of the position I hold with the company.

My team is very diverse and it's not diverse because of some company policy, it's diverse because that's how the cards fell for the best candidates when I was building my organization.