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Popular Twitter Personality and "American Blogger" Exposed As Russian Trolls

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posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 01:01 AM
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It doesn't matter to me which party or candidate these trolls advocate or attack. What matters to me is that they reflect an organized attempt by another country to manipulate our democracy essentially by hijacking the minds of the electorate.

The more sophisticated they get, the more effective they will be. These aren't some kids on 4Chan screwing around. These are experts in personality profiling who know how to push the right buttons and who have been given tools, in some cases, to target specific individuals on platforms like facebook (via custom lists). They know what you're prone to believe.

There was a time, not too long ago, when fake stuff on the internet came from people with simple motives like personal profit or fame or simple lolz -- not geopolitical manipulation on a mass scale.




posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 01:27 AM
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a reply to: Dudemo5

A goal of propaganda is to confuse and wear people down. If you throw out enough conflicting and confusing stories, people don't know who to trust or what to believe anymore.

Basically, you raise the noise to signal ratio. Russia is jacking up the "noise" so that the signal gets lost in the mix.

Doing this makes people ripe to accept messages from a voice that cuts through the noise/chatter claiming to deliver the truth.

And that, right there, is how you begin controlling mass populations of people. You deliver them a form of information 'salvation'. Anyone claiming that other news sources are "fake" should be suspect, as it plays an important role in increasing the noise. Brietbart and others constantly claim everyone but themselves is "fake", confusing people and making it hard for people to know what's real and what's not.

This is not by accident, but by design.
edit on 3-11-2017 by Kettu because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 01:36 AM
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a reply to: Kettu


Well that's easy fixed, since people are not smart enough to have lots of different news sources they should be limited to just one, that way all confusion is dispersed.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 03:39 AM
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The Right Wing fell for one of the best, most intelligent fake news propaganda campaigns we have seen in some time


The right has been falling for fake news for 3 decades now , this is nothing new. The entire right wing media is largely fake news.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 04:14 AM
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I think the most worrying aspect of the whole troll campaign is that these are really agents working for a foreign government that are actively trying to cause divison and stir up hate.

It's hardly a secret that the US has some seriously divisive issues going on, but for agents of a foreign country to spend huge amounts of money to seek to broaden the divison, provoke confrontation and potential violence, that is a very serious issue.

And I think that people need to realize that everyone "fell for it" to some degree.

Because, ultimately, it doesn't really matter to the Kremlin who wins the US election, if the campaign leaves the US utterly divided and political discourse so poisoned by visciousness it is hardly possible to have discourse anymore.

So, did they succeed? I think they did. Spectacularly. Political discussion should be rational and calm, but it seems everybody is shouting and pointing fingers at each other. All the time! How can one decide a best course of action for one's country when everybody is spluttering and raving incoherently? On both sides, I should add.

Someone said, here on ATS somewhere, that "we are being played like a fiddle". And, looking at this from the outside, it certainly looks that way. What the Olgino operatives (because that's what they are) did was to "stir the pot" expertly, driving some finely crafted wedges into the already widening cracks in US society, and sit back to watch the resulting storm of fecal matter.

Political discource in the US is all but dead. There is hardly any meaningful exchange of ideas and arguments. It's just name calling, thinly veiled threats, shadenfreude and vitrol.

I bet they are snickering in the basement in Olgino.
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posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 04:33 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian


Makes sense as every successful modern journalist is bought and paid for by somebody.

I always argued for integrity in journalism. It is very important to a free society. It is totally not the case now. I can't think of one single journalist who I have any faith in at all. All we have is FAKE NEWS, edited to the hilt, manipulated and propagandized, worthless in terms of real INFORMation.

I am more interesting in reading commentary. I am able to learn about mood and get a feel for where people are at. The articles are more a devil's advocate provoking discussion.


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posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 05:19 AM
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Read the whole thread...

Based on the premise of the thread... how do we know that the OP is not in fact a Russian troll?

Anybody could be one.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 05:44 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Metallicus
If you are afraid of Twitter then don't read it.

I don't have a Twitter so I don't have to worry about being brainwashed by 'evil' Russians. ATS has more than enough well-vetted information for all of us.


Hardly.

ATS is a pit of disinfo and propaganda.

People on this site are more misinformed than any other group of people I have encountered.


I guess you have never been to GLP then!



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



So you admit that you lie, and you can't prove the right is fake news factories.


I did not say the right is fake news factories.





Actually, you did. You can play semantics all you want in your attempt to wiggle out of it -- assuming you just don't cop to it.


Fake news did not become an issue until it was shown the Right was completely owned by fake news factories.


Words are important. I did not say the Right "is" fake news factories.

I said they were "owned" by them.

Surely you can understand the difference.

The Right is actually a victim of fake news...poor guys.


Considering pretty much all media is owned by the same six corporate conglomerates ... what does that mean for left wind news factories. I guess the right wing ones are owned by fake news factories because they're owned by left wing corps?



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: theantediluvian


Makes sense as every successful modern journalist is bought and paid for by somebody.

I always argued for integrity in journalism. It is very important to a free society. It is totally not the case now. I can't think of one single journalist who I have any faith in at all. All we have is FAKE NEWS, edited to the hilt, manipulated and propagandized, worthless in terms of real INFORMation.

I am more interesting in reading commentary. I am able to learn about mood and get a feel for where people are at. The articles are more a devil's advocate provoking discussion.



Spent a few years in J-school. It's not about integrity and honest reporting. It's about changing the world. You might say those things go hand-in-hand, but they don't necessarily. The narrative changes the world. We see that one all the time.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 07:32 AM
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OK< the lesson to learn from this thread is the new tactic is that if someone doesn't think on an issue exactly like you do, it's because they're really a Russian agent in disguise.

Red Scare, indeed.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 08:08 AM
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Look at the headlines ... both in the real world and on ATS.

These agents have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

We are about to face a Constitutional crisis in this country.

The America we all grew up in is gone. Over. Done.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 10:11 AM
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the russians were BRILLIANT to use the last name 'abrams' because that helped them get so much more media attention and 'publicity'

if you want to be 'famous' in the media, change your last name to silver, gold, 'man' etc. its simple. they change their last names, so its ok if you want to lol.

i would never change my last name, but thats just me. but if you want to get famous, just go by johnny goldman, and wham, you will get lots more praise thrown upon you.

don't believe me? watch any 'best of' show on the food networks. over FIFTY PERCENT of the 'best of' hot dogs, hamburgers, pizza, tacos, etc, 50% go to those last names.

absolutely brilliant by the russians, they wanted followers, so they chose abrams.

lmfao



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: RickinVa
Read the whole thread...

Based on the premise of the thread... how do we know that the OP is not in fact a Russian troll?

Anybody could be one.


You don't. I could be munching on borscht right now and sucking down Netflix to improve my knowledge of American pop culture.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Grambler



So you admit that you lie, and you can't prove the right is fake news factories.


I did not say the right is fake news factories.



Actually, you did. You can play semantics all you want in your attempt to wiggle out of it -- assuming you just don't cop to it.


Fake news did not become an issue until it was shown the Right was completely owned by fake news factories.


It's ok I had a typo.

So that excuses him from claiming the right is completely owned by fake news factories.

He can't defend it, he knows that.

But it's a great look into what he truly is.


I can defend it and all you have to do is look at the very threads you create to see what I am talking about.

That propagandized/conspiracy oriented mindset has become part of the mainstream Right Wing thinking and your threads parrot the same rhetoric and talking points that are pushed on to the Right.

Benghazi is another great example. The conspiracies were numerous and they went as far as to make it in to congressional hearings.

So I stand by what I said.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
OK< the lesson to learn from this thread is the new tactic is that if someone doesn't think on an issue exactly like you do, it's because they're really a Russian agent in disguise.

Red Scare, indeed.


Nothing new about that tactic. Hell, if you haven't been accused of being a shill at least once on ATS, you're probably not posting much.

I don't pretend to have any profound takeaway any more than I do solutions. Maybe there are no solutions.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: dantanna

Does that mean J.J. Abrams is a Russian plant filling his remakes of American classic films with propaganda?



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

I think the tactic is to stop simply assuming that everything the "other" has is only his argument because some Russian fed it to him and brainwashed him.

It's like the labels ending in "phobe" or "ist" or "ism," merely another way to attempt to dismiss an argument without actually addressing it.

Perhaps we should go back to addressing arguments on their merits or lack thereof rather than dismissing their origination out of hand.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I think the problem is one of extremism. It's as extreme to dismiss things ending in "ism" or "phobia" as unimportant factors or nonexistent phenomena as it is to try to shutdown arguments by throwing out words that end in "ism" or "phobia."

Nobody has a monopoly on irrationality. The more polarized things get, the more we're pushed to the fringe.

For instance, you'd probably say we couldn't have an honest conversation about "radical Islamic terrorism" because of a fear of being labeled an "Islamaphobe" to shut you down.

I'd argue that it's hard to have a reasonable conversation about terrorism by radical Muslims with people who are running around like their heads are on fire, quoting Pamela Gellar, claiming that the President is trying to enact Sharia Law and blathering uselessly about f#ing bacon.



posted on Nov, 3 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: Kettu

This is so spot on. This is the goal. I've always tried to be aware of what could be real and what could be fake. I'm shocked at these revelations.

This Internet Research Agency duped so many people. Remember when CNN aired 30 minutes of porn? Fake news. Remember when a Louisiana chemical plant got blown up by ISIS? Fake news. How about the US soldier shooting holes in a kuran? Fake news.

All of these were perpetrated by this Russian troll farm and millions of people just ate it up.



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