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Astroid from outside the solar system, or something else?

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posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 12:02 PM
a reply to: JimOberg

Oumuamua’s oddball spin could be related to its origins as well. According to new research posted on the preprint server, the visitor is tumbling willy-nilly rather than smoothly rotating on its axis. The researchers, who declined to comment due to embargo concerns, state in their paper “1I/‘Oumuamua was likely set tumbling within its parent planetary system, and will remain tumbling well after it has left ours.” ‘Oumuamua’s motion, they speculate, could be due to a long-ago collision with another body or the extreme tidal torqueing it may have experienced during its ejection from its parent planetary system. Alternatively, its spin could come from the jetlike outgassing of icy material vaporizing in sunlight—the process that creates a cometary tail.

But, again, the object did not appear to sprout a tail when it closely approached our sun. If indeed ‘Oumuamua is an icy body, how did it avoid growing a cometary tail? David Jewitt, an astronomer at the University of California, Los Angles, suspects any ice might be buried under a layer of material damaged by the charged particles known as cosmic rays that bombarded ‘Oumuamua while it traveled through space. “The prolonged exposure will toast the surface,” forming a protective crust, he says.

Source: Scientific America article papers on 1I/Oumuamua:
Explaining the elongated shape of 'Oumuamua by the Eikonal abrasion model.
Ejection of rocky and icy material from binary star systems: Implications for the origin and composition of 1I/`Oumuamua.

I think the first one is what is referenced in the SA article. The second one seems more interesting.

We may have been buzzed by planetesimal from a binary star system! That almost seems like sci-fi!

edit on 15-12-2017 by TEOTWAWKIAIFF because: formatting

posted on Sep, 25 2018 @ 06:56 PM

Bailer-Jones and his colleagues found four stars that are possible candidates for 'Oumuamua's home world. All four of them are dwarf stars. The one that came closest to 'Oumuamua, at least about one million year ago, is the reddish dwarf star HIP 3757. It approached within about 1.96 light-years. Given the uncertainties unaccounted for in this reconstruction, that is close enough for 'Oumuamua to have originated from its planetary system (if the star has one). However, the comparatively large relative speed (around 25 km/s) makes it less probable for this to be 'Oumuamua's home.

The next candidate, HD 292249, is similar to our Sun, was a little bit less close to the object's trajectory 3.8 million years ago, but with a smaller relative speed of 10 km/s. The two additional candidates met 'Oumuamua 1.1 and 6.3 million years ago, respectively, at intermediate speeds and distances. These stars have been previously catalogued by other surveys, but little is known about them., Sept. 25, 2018 - Tracking the interstellar object 'Oumuamua to its home.

The object is still heading out and science is still being done!

They are using data released from Gaia in April of this year (called, "Data Release 2" or DR2) to find possible candidates of our visitor. The four named candidates are the closest but do not jive with their theory of binary star ejecting 'Oumuamua from its home system. arXiv:1809.09009 - Plausible home stars of the interstellar object 'Oumuamua found in Gaia DR2.

On a side note for Phage:

Instead, there was some additional acceleration when the object was close to the Sun. The likely explanation is that 'Oumuamua has some similarity to a comet – with ice that, when sufficiently heated by sunlight, produces gas that will in turn accelerate the source object like an exceedingly weak rocket engine. article

There is an answer as to "how" The Scout changed velocity!

posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 04:49 PM

However, given the highly elongated shape of the object, its torque asymmetry is likely higher, implying even faster evolution. This would have resulted in rapid rotational fission of 'Oumuamua during its journey through the Solar System and is clearly incompatible with the relative stability of its rotational state inferred from photometric variability. Based on these arguments, as well as the lack of direct signs of outgassing, we conclude that the classification of 'Oumuamua as a comet (invoked to explain its claimed anomalous acceleration) is questionable. (abstract): arXiv:1809.06389. Spin Evolution and Cometary Interpretation of the Interstellar Minor Object 1I/2017 'Oumuamua.

Well. Ain't that something!

A few months later, another collaboration found that ’Oumuamua wasn’t just being pulled by the sun’s gravity. Instead, it was being slightly accelerated by an unseen force, which they argued could only be attributed to comet “outgassing” acting like a thruster. With this additional information, the case appeared to be closed. “Interstellar asteroid is really a comet,” read the headline of a press release put out by the European Space Agency.

The explanation seemed to fit with what we know about our own solar system. In the distant reaches beyond Neptune, countless comets orbit our sun. Anytime one of these comets gets too close to a planet, it could be ejected out into the galaxy. In contrast, there are far fewer asteroids in the asteroid belt, and they orbit closer to the sun, where they’re harder to knock into interstellar space. “There are more comets, and it’s easier to fling them away from a planetary system,” said Ann-Marie Madigan, an astrophysicist at the University of Colorado, Boulder. “For the first interstellar traveler that we see in our solar system, for that to be an asteroid, would be shocking.”

[Roman Rafikov] proposed such a scenario earlier this year, whereby an ordinary star dies, forming a white dwarf, and in the process rips apart a planet and launches the shards clear across the galaxy. ’Oumuamua is one of those shards. “Basically, it’s a messenger from a dead star,” he said., Oct. 10, 2018 - Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid.

Seems ’Oumuamua does not behave like anything we have encountered before! So much so, we now need a white dwarf star creation to try and explain its origin! Let alone the "slight acceleration" as it passed the sun. But that rips apart the "comet" idea which explains the "organic ices" found in the spectrum! A chunk of blown up planet??

Back to square one!

posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 06:24 PM
a reply to: intrptr


posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 10:39 PM
I also think its classification as a comet was hasty and not well-substantiated. It's not like our known comets accelerate when they're flying away from the Sun.

There could be lots of reasons for acceleration, one of them it being an alien capsule or spaceship.

posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 02:47 PM

originally posted by: wildespace

There could be lots of reasons for acceleration, one of them it being an alien capsule or spaceship.

Or prayer!!

posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:37 PM

[... M]ost of the past research into panspermia has focused on whether life could had been distributed through the solar system or neighboring stars. More specifically, these studies addressed the possibility that life could have been transferred between Mars and Earth (or other Solar bodies) via asteroids or meteorites. For the sake of their study, Ginsburg and his colleagues cast a wider net, looking at the Milky Way Galaxy and beyond.

As Dr. Loeb told universe Today via email, the inspiration for this study came from the first-known interstellar visitor to our solar system – the asteroid "Oumuamua:

"Following that discovery, Manasvi Lingam and I wrote a paper where we showed that interstellar objects like `Oumuamua could be captured through their gravitational interaction with Jupiter and the Sun. The solar system acts as a gravitational "fishing net" that contains thousands of bound interstellar objects of this size at any given time. These bound interstellar objects could potentially plant life from another planetary system and in the solar system. The effectiveness of the fishing net is larger for a binary star system, like the nearby Alpha Centauri A and B, which could capture objects as large as the Earth during their lifetime."

"We expect most objects to likely be rocky, but in principle they could also be icy (cometary) in nature," Ginsburg added. "Regardless of whether they are rocky or icy, they can be ejected from their host system and travel potentially thousands of light-years away. In particular the center of the galaxy can act as a powerful engine to seed the Milky Way.", Oct. 15, 2018 - The Milky Way could be spreading life from star to star.

Like Bigfoot, there was a brief glimpse of... something, which is now firing the imaginations of scientists to think bigger.

But maybe they were not thinking big enough to begin with!, Oct. 2, 2018 - Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies.

Gaia released dataset 2 (called "DR2") which is being combed through. They found "20 or so" hyper velocity stars flying towards the center of the Milky Way (same source). They will need more Gaia measurements to verify the number but they are there and not from our own galaxy!

Maybe the mods were a bit too fast to move this thread to Space Exploration forum!



ETA, this came up! New study supports survival of microbes and organic compounds in space.
edit on 17-10-2018 by TEOTWAWKIAIFF because: slow leak of disclosure

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