Route 91 shooter supposedly shot at tank near Janet terminal

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Supposedly the Route 91 shooter shot at fuel tanks near the Janet terminal, according to this source that is one step above Perez Hilton. True, the Janets took a day off after the shooting. That said, there are a few glaring mistakes in the article. First of all, the Janet aircraft do display N-numbers. Second, I haven't noticed any going to Creech, at least not the 737s.

FWIW, the shooter had one of many LLCs called Paradise Ranch, which I hope all on the list know is a nickname for Groom Lake.

originally posted by: gariac
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Supposedly the Route 91 shooter shot at fuel tanks near the Janet terminal, according to this source that is one step above Perez Hilton. True, the Janets took a day off after the shooting. That said, there are a few glaring mistakes in the article. First of all, the Janet aircraft do display N-numbers. Second, I haven't noticed any going to Creech, at least not the 737s.

FWIW, the shooter had one of many LLCs called Paradise Ranch, which I hope all on the list know is a nickname for Groom Lake.

Which shows the slight amateurish nature of Paddock. From what I hear , he was trying to punch a hole , ignite the fuel , and cause the tanks to explode. Which was completely impossible with what he had..
Thanks to all the Higher Powers that be .

Waiting to find out caliber of shots to tank. My money is on .308. Shooter bought a .308 on way to event but police did not recover that bolt-action rifle. Guessing second person used it to shoot at tsnk through second window (they knew 5.56x45 would not pierce it).

To summarize: since .308 is missing, then if the tank holes were from .308 it proves existence of second shooter...who got away.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: gariac
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Supposedly the Route 91 shooter shot at fuel tanks near the Janet terminal, according to this source that is one step above Perez Hilton. True, the Janets took a day off after the shooting. That said, there are a few glaring mistakes in the article. First of all, the Janet aircraft do display N-numbers. Second, I haven't noticed any going to Creech, at least not the 737s.

FWIW, the shooter had one of many LLCs called Paradise Ranch, which I hope all on the list know is a nickname for Groom Lake.

Which shows the slight amateurish nature of Paddock. From what I hear , he was trying to punch a hole , ignite the fuel , and cause the tanks to explode. Which was completely impossible with what he had..
Thanks to all the Higher Powers that be .

When he failed to blow up the Groom Lake tank, he should have known that it wouldn't work in Vegas either. Law Enforcement is correct when they say that Paddock had help from someone smarter than him.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: gariac
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Supposedly the Route 91 shooter shot at fuel tanks near the Janet terminal, according to this source that is one step above Perez Hilton. True, the Janets took a day off after the shooting. That said, there are a few glaring mistakes in the article. First of all, the Janet aircraft do display N-numbers. Second, I haven't noticed any going to Creech, at least not the 737s.

FWIW, the shooter had one of many LLCs called Paradise Ranch, which I hope all on the list know is a nickname for Groom Lake.

Which shows the slight amateurish nature of Paddock. From what I hear , he was trying to punch a hole , ignite the fuel , and cause the tanks to explode. Which was completely impossible with what he had..
Thanks to all the Higher Powers that be .

When he failed to blow up the Groom Lake tank, he should have known that it wouldn't work in Vegas either. Law Enforcement is correct when they say that Paddock had help from someone smarter than him.

The fuel tanks were located right at the concert. And if this "smarter" person came up with this idea , this person wasnt the brightest crayon in the box either .
But again , thanks to all Higher Powers that be that it was impossible.

Sigh... At least no one mentioned space aliens.

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Now that the LVRJ reports the tanks are shot, I semi apologize to Perez Hilton. FOX is also citing the LVRJ report.

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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: gariac
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Supposedly the Route 91 shooter shot at fuel tanks near the Janet terminal, according to this source that is one step above Perez Hilton. True, the Janets took a day off after the shooting. That said, there are a few glaring mistakes in the article. First of all, the Janet aircraft do display N-numbers. Second, I haven't noticed any going to Creech, at least not the 737s.

FWIW, the shooter had one of many LLCs called Paradise Ranch, which I hope all on the list know is a nickname for Groom Lake.

Which shows the slight amateurish nature of Paddock. From what I hear , he was trying to punch a hole , ignite the fuel , and cause the tanks to explode. Which was completely impossible with what he had..
Thanks to all the Higher Powers that be .

When he failed to blow up the Groom Lake tank, he should have known that it wouldn't work in Vegas either. Law Enforcement is correct when they say that Paddock had help from someone smarter than him.

The fuel tanks were located right at the concert. And if this "smarter" person came up with this idea , this person wasnt the brightest crayon in the box either .
But again , thanks to all Higher Powers that be that it was impossible.

Maybe "They" told Paddock it would work, them holes mean a barrel pointed that way, ricochets would lose velocity and bounce off not make holes.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: gariac
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Supposedly the Route 91 shooter shot at fuel tanks near the Janet terminal, according to this source that is one step above Perez Hilton. True, the Janets took a day off after the shooting. That said, there are a few glaring mistakes in the article. First of all, the Janet aircraft do display N-numbers. Second, I haven't noticed any going to Creech, at least not the 737s.

FWIW, the shooter had one of many LLCs called Paradise Ranch, which I hope all on the list know is a nickname for Groom Lake.

Which shows the slight amateurish nature of Paddock. From what I hear , he was trying to punch a hole , ignite the fuel , and cause the tanks to explode. Which was completely impossible with what he had..
Thanks to all the Higher Powers that be .

When he failed to blow up the Groom Lake tank, he should have known that it wouldn't work in Vegas either. Law Enforcement is correct when they say that Paddock had help from someone smarter than him.

The fuel tanks were located right at the concert. And if this "smarter" person came up with this idea , this person wasnt the brightest crayon in the box either .
But again , thanks to all Higher Powers that be that it was impossible.

Maybe "They" told Paddock it would work, them holes mean a barrel pointed that way, ricochets would lose velocity and bounce off not make holes.

There were no holes( At least from CNN, Fox and news sources online). Scratch marks , possible very small dents , yes.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: gariac
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Supposedly the Route 91 shooter shot at fuel tanks near the Janet terminal, according to this source that is one step above Perez Hilton. True, the Janets took a day off after the shooting. That said, there are a few glaring mistakes in the article. First of all, the Janet aircraft do display N-numbers. Second, I haven't noticed any going to Creech, at least not the 737s.

FWIW, the shooter had one of many LLCs called Paradise Ranch, which I hope all on the list know is a nickname for Groom Lake.

Which shows the slight amateurish nature of Paddock. From what I hear , he was trying to punch a hole , ignite the fuel , and cause the tanks to explode. Which was completely impossible with what he had..
Thanks to all the Higher Powers that be .

When he failed to blow up the Groom Lake tank, he should have known that it wouldn't work in Vegas either. Law Enforcement is correct when they say that Paddock had help from someone smarter than him.

The fuel tanks were located right at the concert. And if this "smarter" person came up with this idea , this person wasnt the brightest crayon in the box either .
But again , thanks to all Higher Powers that be that it was impossible.

I'm still confounded that one person could shoot at fuel tanks, hit hundreds of people, miss hundreds of people, shoot from two windows, change guns...all in 10 minutes.

a reply to: gariac

I hear he shot down a bunch of 'weather balloons' and thats why the arriving cops stayed waaay back.

What was "impossible" for him to puncture the tanks would requiring knowing the type of ammo that he was using. We can assume, however, that the distance between his gun muzzle and the tanks had a lot to do with the failure due to velocity loss.

originally posted by: Aliensun
What was "impossible" for him to puncture the tanks would requiring knowing the type of ammo that he was using. We can assume, however, that the distance between his gun muzzle and the tanks had a lot to do with the failure due to velocity loss.

At that range ? The way that those fuel tanks are built ? Nothing as a firearm is going to punch through . Like shooting an Abrams with a BB gun.

Depending on the thickness of the rolled steel of those tanks, .223 wouldn't pierce 1/2 in from point blank range and .308 wouldn't pierce from 400 yds. I don't think the tanks were breached, probably just paint knocked off from stray rounds.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Aliensun
What was "impossible" for him to puncture the tanks would requiring knowing the type of ammo that he was using. We can assume, however, that the distance between his gun muzzle and the tanks had a lot to do with the failure due to velocity loss.

At that range ? The way that those fuel tanks are built ? Nothing as a firearm is going to punch through . Like shooting an Abrams with a BB gun.

The article says this:

The bullets left two holes in one of two circular white tanks. One of the bullets penetrated the tank, but did not cause a fire or explosion near the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, another knowledgeable source said late Wednesday.

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TextThe fuel tanks were in the line of sight during Stephen Paddock's attack on concert-goers, though the source added there's no evidence to suggest the tanks were specifically targeted.

While the tanks were hit, they were not penetrated, the source added.

Is anyone having a problem believing that the weapon used would make a hole in a steel fuel tank at almost 700 yards? At that distance it would be traveling sub 1000 fps & less than 295 ft lbs! I'd like to hear from those with experience in ballistics if a standard 5.56 round could penetrate 1/4" steel (not hardened) at this distance. Also would a 7.62x39 round out of a standard AK penetrate this. And by penetrate, I mean completely through. An AK round would be traveling under 900 fps and and ~ 220 ft lbs of energy. Both rounds are max velocity rounds - 55gr/3,215fps & 123gr/2,415fps round 556 & 7.62 respectively.. I know a 9mm doesn't penetrate steel plate at 20ft traveling that fast, nore does a 40gr .22 traveling at 1,420 at 20 ft. even if AP, I think at this speed it would be a difficult task.

I guess AP rounds could have been used, but I have a feeling those were not used though could be wrong. Also, would an AP round penetrate at that distance?

If I could start a thread I'd also see what people thought about the likeliness of being able to hit the same person 3x using @ 375 yards with a mag of 30 or 60 rounds with one of the following weapons:
AR/M-4 style weapon with a bump stock
AR/M-4 on full auto
AK w/ bump stock and or full auto

Is anyone having a problem believing that the weapon used would make a hole in a steel fuel tank at almost 700 yards? At that distance it would be traveling sub 1000 fps & less than 295 ft lbs! I'd like to hear from those with experience in ballistics if a standard 5.56 round could penetrate 1/4" steel (not hardened) at this distance. Also would a 7.62x39 round out of a standard AK penetrate this. And by penetrate, I mean completely through. An AK round would be traveling under 900 fps and and ~ 220 ft lbs of energy. Both rounds are max velocity rounds - 55gr/3,215fps & 123gr/2,415fps round 556 & 7.62 respectively.. I know a 9mm doesn't penetrate steel plate at 20ft traveling that fast, nore does a 40gr .22 traveling at 1,420 at 20 ft. even if AP, I think at this speed it would be a difficult task.

I guess AP rounds could have been used, but I have a feeling those were not used though could be wrong. Also, would an AP round penetrate at that distance?

If I could start a thread I'd also see what people thought about the likeliness of being able to hit the same person 3x using @ 375 yards with a mag of 30 or 60 rounds with one of the following weapons:
AR/M-4 style weapon with a bump stock
AR/M-4 on full auto
AK w/ bump stock and or full auto

Scene of America's worst massacre in recent times is right across the street from a huge black site. Put this one in the "you can't make this stuff up" file.

"Janet Airlines"

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“Insiders call it the ‘CIA’s airline,’ but, informally, it’s known as ‘JANET’ because its pilots use that identifier over air traffic control frequencies. The airline mostly uses JANET as a shuttle service for military VIPs between Las Vegas and Area 51,” the source added. “The joke is that the acronym stands for Just Another Non-Existent Terminal.”

It makes one wonder if those escape plans of the shooter had anything to do with catching a quick, nearby flight out of the area.

Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddockfired special "incendiary" bullets at a 43,000-barrel fuel tank in what investigators believe was an attempt to cause an explosion, two law enforcement sources told CNN.

Those types of rounds, meant to ignite what they hit, were found inside Paddock's room at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and near the fuel tank a short distance away on the grounds of McCarran International Airport, the sources said.

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a reply to: gariac

I am by no means nor by any stretch an expert when it comes to firearms and ammunition, but wouldn't incendiary bullets have been clearly visible during the shooting? At least at night - when they hit the ground, etc.?