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Las Vegas: Failed Arms Deal Theory Makes No Sense

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posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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Something that I've seen a lot of people supporting across the LV threads is that the shooting was actually the result of an arms deal gone bad. While I think I recall a few people broaching the subject early on it really started picking up when a post (that couldn't even spell Paddock's name right) found it's way on to 4chan claiming Paddock was undercover FBI pulling a Fast & Furious type deal. While it seems like most people have dropped the FBI aspect of this story I'm still seeing a lot of people supporting the failed arms deal theory. And while it might seem all nice and neat at first, it definitely doesn't hold up to an real scrutiny.

What kind of arms dealer sells guns registered in his name?
What kind of serious purchaser is interested in off-the-shelf civilian grade guns?
What kind of serious purchaser is only interested in buying 23 guns and a few hundred rounds of ammo?
What kind of arms dealer sets up obvious cameras all around where the deal is going down?
What kind of arms dealer pre-loads all the magazines with ammo?
What kind of failed arms deal has the surviving party leaving the product behind?
If this was an arms deal why did Paddock have the hammer with him?
And most importantly, what kind of failed arms deal ends with the surviving party staging a suicide and then killing 59 people and injuring 500+ others?

These are just some of the questions that can be raised that have no real answer. Plenty more can easily be raised. But I think this should adequately illustrate that the tragedy in Vegas being the result of a failed arms deal makes absolutely no sense.




posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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Yup. Makes zero sense.

Next.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Attempting to make sense of the senseless with nonsense is what ATS does best, didn't you know?




posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

I don't really support the theory either. But to play devil's advocate to a few of your points: Not all "arms deals" are between ultra-powerful people or organizations. Individuals and small gangs often by one or a few guns at a time and these are almost always consumer grade weapons. I've had cases where a legally registered gun owner will sell his gun for much more than retail value, say 10-20 times the retail value, and then simply report the gun as stolen so that if it ever does show up again, he's got an out. Lastly, I believe within the last few days prior to the incident Paddock had purchased some high powered firearm or another (I'm no expert) and that firearm was not at the hotel room. Just some food for thought.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Probably.
But what if he was selling an entire terror event package: Guns, Ammo & huge pool of sitting-duck victims?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: TobyFlenderson

I have mentioned in other threads that if this were an arms deal then the only likely purchasers would be gangbangers. But they're not going to open up on a crowd of people after killing the dealer and staging his death to look like a suicide. If the deal went bad they would kill the dealer and then grab what they can while getting out a quickly as possible. They wouldn't stick around for 10 minutes drawing as much attention as possible.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Agreed, but a little more of the devil's advocate, what if he snapped because he was ripped off? Or, they killed him, freaked out, and lit up the crowd as a diversion. If one gun shot went off in a hotel room, I'd assume that hotel security would be on the scene pretty quickly. But when a whole armory is being emptied and the sounds are echoing around the city, you might get a little more time.

To add to the possibility of him generating income this way, it appears he may've been in or planned on going to Chicago and Boston recently.

But again, I'm with you. This wasn't a ripoff gone wrong.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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If you read the live thread, this was one thought, there were posts saying "allah Akbar", when tehy figured out he was white they attacked the ex husband of the woman Marylou's facebook page and likes and they called him everything from a deranged leftist to being paid off by Soros (even long after we knew that was the wrong guy).

If you read that thread again (all before the confirmation of the shooter being dead) you can see the agenda of many many of the posters, from the outset they "knew" which group done it and when proven wrong they are on to the next group.
There's one group they absolutely knew it wasn't, a redneck Trump supporter, that would be unfathomable.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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Fake news is everywhere. It almost seems like this fake news is brought into hindsight to block the real truth. To be honest some of the links to the arms deal at first seemed plausible but then what really threw me off was the fact that they then start shooting into a random crowd. Ya sorry, that makes no sense.

Me thinks this dude just lost his mind.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

What terror organization is going to go out-of-house for planning? Especially when they're being offered equipment that is worse than what they already have.

Not only that, if you can believe that Paddock is so horrible that he can sell "terror packages" that he knows will lead to many deaths why do you have such a hard time believing that he was the one pulling the trigger?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: TobyFlenderson

Even if they were shooting in to the crowd as a distraction I can't imagine they would keep it up for 10+ minutes.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IAMTAT



Not only that, if you can believe that Paddock is so horrible that he can sell "terror packages" that he knows will lead to many deaths why do you have such a hard time believing that he was the one pulling the trigger?


Because, according to the police,...the guy was planning on leaving the room alive.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IAMTAT





, according to the police,...the guy was planning on leaving the room alive.


That's correct! And where is the single shot bolt action 308 he just purchased.
Was this to be an assassination attempt when the president arrives to show support to LV residents and those who lost loved ones?

A friend of my buddy from work, who is special forces, was at the concert when it all went down. He ended up being utilized by the police for his training. He was given a bullit proof vest and a med kit and sent in.
He said " There were multiple shooters, and that shots were being fired from midway down from the broken windows. He was absolutely certain of multiple shooters, as he has been in fire fights before, and that is his thing



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Something that I've seen a lot of people supporting across the LV threads is that the shooting was actually the result of an arms deal gone bad. While I think I recall a few people broaching the subject early on it really started picking up when a post (that couldn't even spell Paddock's name right) found it's way on to 4chan claiming Paddock was undercover FBI pulling a Fast & Furious type deal. While it seems like most people have dropped the FBI aspect of this story I'm still seeing a lot of people supporting the failed arms deal theory. And while it might seem all nice and neat at first, it definitely doesn't hold up to an real scrutiny.

Without going into any gun dealer theory, Paddock does remind me somewhat of the very strange 2015 case of Jeffrey Lash aged 60, of Palisades Park in LA.
He was found dead in his SUV, outside his home, or perhaps rather, his girl-friends home, while inside the house was full of guns, around $5million worth, as well as 6.5 tons of ammo, esplosive making materials plus a $250,000 of ready cash. He also had 14 vehicles registered to him, one supposedly adapted to be amphibious, and a home elsewhere, no one seems to know where the money came from, or how he made a living, although he did tell his girl-friend he worked for the CIA, and that he was always surveilled, police decided the man must have been delusional, while no charges were made against anybody..... much more to the story here, (some details slightly differ)

www.theguardian.com...



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: HawkeyeNation

The sheriff now says that Paddock had assistance and that is where they're going to focus.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

I think we are all just trying to make sense of what happened and although there are theories flying around I wouldn't make a thread for each. Instead discuss in the threads already discussing the horrific event.

Arms deal gone bad isn't out of the question.

I mean.... a wealthy man has 23 guns and only used one doesn't make any sense. Why all the guns and why testimonies saying he didn't know anything about guns when clearly he did know about them. His brother stopped short of saying he was an army all on his own.

He was a professional gambler and that's what he did for a living? His family is taken care of and so is his gf. because of his winnings? Find that hard to believe.

I'd imagine he wasn't on a first name basis with just the casinos either. IRS/GOVNT probably knew him as well.

He traveled across the world and had 2 planes he piloted..

Isis claims he is affiliated with them. Did he have anything to do with them or not? If he did, how and why would a man like him get into operating with them?

Where is the lady and gentleman as well as the security guard who was told "they are all around and we are all going to die"? Who is THEY? Who and why are they all around?

Speculation is what we are all doing... trying to figure out why this man did such a thing.

What is your theories and or speculation? We know what you don't think... what do you make of all the unanswered questions?



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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just to play devil's advocate for a moment, what if 4chan is full of teenagers who make up crap just to get reactions and some genuine crazy people, and none of them know a damn thing?

just to play devil's advocate for a moment, maybe conspiracy cranks enjoy playing baby sherlock holmes with every big news event because it gives them a special pants feeling, and they lack any kind of common sense or shred of human decency?

i'm just playing devil's advocate.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:16 PM
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Welcome to the interwebz. Don't believe everything you see should be a disclaimer on every webpage in big bold letters.

Chance are that we will never know why Paddock (or whoever) did what he (they did). The Gov't will never let us know as it would inflame the division even more.

And even if the truth were to be released...there would be others who would say it's a PSYOP or something along them lines. After all, there are those who still believe the earth is flat. Their website validates their beliefs after all so it must be true.

Maybe it was Aliens!



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: HawkeyeNation

The sheriff now says that Paddock had assistance and that is where they're going to focus.


For clarity's sake, he said "you have to assume" the shooter had assistance. He didn't state definitively that he did. Unless he's made another statement since the one I saw.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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The police are now actively focusing on the idea that Paddock had at least one accomplice.
They are doing this because they obviously have evidence.

This makes' the crazy old man who just flipped out' theory moot.




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