Alrighty then let's take this one at a time here..
Originally posted by PeanutButterJellyTime
If DU was so harmful there would be all kinds of PPE (personal protective equipment) required to handle it
I take it you were allowed to read this document then?
Just the DU from a Plane Crash is pretty serious contamination. In Canada and from the Pentagon 'Object'....
"A 747 may contain as much as 1,500 kilograms 3,300 lbs. of the material," the Canadian Press reported. It took 60 firefighters and 20 trucks about
three hours to control the fire.
Fowler said: "there is no threat or concern" about DU exposure to those working on the wreckage.
"Thatâ??s baloney," Marion Fulk, a retired staff scientist from Lawrence Livermore National Lab, told American Free Press. Fulk, 83, is currently
researching how low-level ionizing radiation causes cancer, birth defects and a host of other health problems. Burning depleted uranium creates a
"whole mess of oxides," Fulk said, "which is what makes it so wicked biologically."
In 1988, American physicist Robert L. Parker wrote that in the worst-case scenario, the crash of a Boeing 747 could affect the health of 250,000
people through exposure to uranium oxide particles. "Extended tests by the Navy and NASA showed that the temperature of the fireball in a plane crash
can reach 1,200 degrees Celsius. Such temperatures are high enough to cause very rapid oxidation of depleted uranium," he wrote.
"Large pieces of uranium will oxidize rapidly and will sustain slow combustion when heated in air to temperatures of about 500 degrees Celsius,"
Paul Lowenstein, technical director and vice-president of Nuclear Metals Inc., the company that has supplied DU to Boeing, wrote in a 1993 article.
Originally posted by PeanutButterJellyTime
Your hand is more radioactive than DU. That is simple scientific fact.
I find this particularly disturbing given that you are one of the guys acutally handling this stuff. No Offense but that is some serious not knowing.
I sincerely hope this is your own speculation and not something they told you because here's the reality.
Rokke and his crew were measuring significant levels
of radiation up to 50 meters away from affected tanks:
up to 300 millirems an hour in beta and gamma
radiation, and alpha radiation from the thousands to
the millions in counts per minute (CPM) on a Geiger
Within 72 hours of their inspections, Rokke and his
crew started getting sick.
But they continued with their work. They went back to
the U.S. to perform tests on Army bases. They
deliberately blew up tanks with DU rounds, then ran
over and jumped on the tanks while they were still
burning. They videotaped the uranium-oxide clouds
pouring out, and they measured the radiation being
In the past decade, Rokke said 30 men out of 100 who
were closely involved in these operations dropped
Rokke's lungs and kidneys are damaged. He believes
that uranium oxide dust is permanently trapped inside
his lungs. He has lesions on his brain, pustules on
his skin. He suffers from chronic fatigue syndrome. He
has reactive airway disease, which means he can't stop
wheezing and coughing, and experiences a loss of
breath when he exercises. He also has fibromyalgia, a
condition that causes chronic pain in his muscles,
ligaments and tendons.
The VA tested Rokke for uranium levels in his body in
1994. He got the results back two and a half years
later. His urine had 5000 times the amount of
The problem with DU, he said, is the stuff that's
given off when a round is fired. The projectile begins
burning immediately, and up to 70 percent of it
oxidizes. This aerosolized power—uranium oxide—is the
really dangerous stuff, Rokke said, particularly when
it is inhaled.
Rokke insists that he and his men were wearing
protective equipment—or equipment they thought would
protect them. But their face masks were capable of
straining out particles of 10 microns or larger.
That's as big as the DU particles get, according to
the Army and the Pentagon.
Rokke, however, insists that he has measured particles
as small as .3 microns, and that scientists at the
Livermore laboratories have measured them as small as
Dated March 1, 1991, the memo was written by Lt. Col. M.V. Ziehmn at the Los Alamos Laboratories in New Mexico.
"There has been and continues to be a concern regarding the impact of dU [sic] on the environment. Therefore, if no one makes a case for the
effectiveness of du on the battlefield, du rounds may become politically unacceptable and thus, be deleted from the arsenal," the memo reads. "If du
penetrators proved their worth during our recent combat activities, then we should assure their future existence (until something better is developed)
through Service/DoD proponency. If proponency is not garnered, it is possible that we stand to lose a valuable combat capability. I believe we should
keep this sensitive issue at mind when after action reports [sic] are written."
The meaning of this memo is quite clear, Rokke said. Since DU munitions are so effective, they must continue to be used in combat, regardless of the
environmental or health consequences.
Here's what the UN says...
According to a August 2002 report by the UN subcommission, laws which are breached by the use of DU shells include: the Universal Declaration of Human
Rights; the Charter of the United Nations; the Genocide Convention; the Convention Against Torture; the four Geneva Conventions of 1949; the
Conventional Weapons Convention of 1980; and the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, which expressly forbid employing 'poison or poisoned weapons'
and 'arms, projectiles or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering'. All of these laws are designed to spare civilians from unwarranted
suffering in armed conflicts.
Here's what the UK Atomic Energy Authority had to say...
In 1991, the Allies fired 944,000 DU rounds or some 2700 tons of DU tipped bombs. A UK Atomic Energy Authority report said that some 500,000 people
would die before the end of this century, due to radioactive debris left in the desert.
If you plan to have kids and have been handling that crap, you might want to have yourself tested by a civilian doctor... Seriously.
The use of DU has also led to birth defects in the children of Allied veterans and is believed to be the cause of the 'worrying number of
anophthalmos cases -- babies born without eyes' in Iraq. Only one in 50 million births should be anophthalmic, yet one Baghdad hospital had eight
cases in just two years. Seven of the fathers had been exposed to American DU anti-tank rounds in 1991. There have also been cases of Iraqi babies
born without the crowns of their skulls, a deformity also linked to DU shelling.
A study of Gulf war veterans showed that 67% had children with severe illnesses, missing eyes, blood infections, respiratory problems and fused
Well if the Army won't educate you on how to safely handle DU, you can always turn tot he provate sector for information. For your sake...
And yes it oxidzes and pulverizes into a fine dust, as fine a 1 micron... BREATHABLE...
Breathing Uranium Oxides: Global Medical Crisis of Depleted Uranium
Also since you handle this yourself, you may want to look into this site...
DEPLETED URANIUM: SCIENTIFIC & TECHNICAL REFERENCES
INTERNATIONAL NUCLEAR INFORMATION SYSTEM (INIS)
Database of the International Atomic Energy Agency
Sorry about the edit earlier, I clicked the wrong button and lost about twenty minutes of typing...
Originally posted by PeanutButterJellyTime
DU doesn't turn into dust on impact either.
Yes it does. It is burning, "oxidizing" the moment it leaves the barrel and up to 70% of the round is dispersed as fine particulate through the air
and on impact.
For the particles formed when a DU penetrator impacts on armour plate, a larger fraction, about 25%, dissolves quickly. Other tests have shown that in
both situations, the particles consist mostly of two uranium oxides (U3O8, with some UO2) both of which are relatively insoluble. Experiments carried
out on industrial forms of these oxides indicate a long-term dissolution rate in the lungs of the order of 0.1% per day.
It really is frustrating to go through all this posting and research and then somebody comes along and tries to say DU is as radioactive as your
There are Congressional Reports available, tons of research published by a variety of sources raning from international entities to our own Government
and Military Commissioned Studies. There are memos, letters, retractions, you name it. Read, for god's sake and apparetnly your own sake, read the
truth about DU before you accept what Sgt. So and So tells you.