Hatred & the response to it...

First I want to say thanks to the many mature humans of various hues or races that are trying their best to work together as 1 Species...

-A group that spreads hate & segregation intentionally.
Is a group that has a foundation based on hate.

-A group that organizes to respond to a group based on hate, is NOT a hate group.
It is a mirror of the projected hate...

Example - isil spreads hate and so the Global community responds to the hate.
That does NOT make the Global response a hate group. Does it

A hate group is a social group that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, nation, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other designated sector of society. According to the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), a hate group's "primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization."[1] Scholars find it difficult to define the term hate group and "whether a particular group is to be classified as a hate group is sometimes in the eye of the beholder."[2]

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Do you agree or disagree.
If you disagree please explain why?

NAMASTE
LOVE LIGHT ETERNIA*******

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

I agree. Stopping hate groups with hate is not morally equivalent to what the hate groups are trying to do in the first place.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Yes as one group has intentions on instigating & spreading hate why the other group has intentions on trying to prevent the spread of hate...

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

The question isn't who is or isn't a hate group. The question is who is online with the liberty that the US gov is supposed to represent. Antifa and the left has shown again and again that they want to # up and out the oppositional views and beat down anyone who doesn't agree with them. That is the antithesis to what the U.S. stands for.

Jaden

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

The question isn't who is or isn't a hate group. The question is who is online with the liberty that the US gov is supposed to represent. Antifa and the left has shown again and again that they want to # up and out the oppositional views and beat down anyone who doesn't agree with them. That is the antithesis to what the U.S. stands for.

Jaden

As are the hate groups which they combat.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Sentiments ran high among the Nazis that their cause was stemmed out of victim-hood.

It's still their way of life. It takes that edge off knowing you follow a tradition of genocide and totalitarian racism.

The only thing I've been hating is windows 10. It a flashy piece of crap, that just filled with crap, and just keep making things more complicated and is a tremendous pain in the ass to get working.

Very much like my tax dollars and world leadersthese days.i just wanna grab a hammer an magnet and screw it like cheap knabby how that it is.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

If you respond to hate with hate then you escalate the hate all around and nothing gets resolved.

In that sense, yes, responding with hate to hate would make 'the responder' a hate group.

Responding to the hate in another fashion such as compassion, listening, tolerance, restraint would de-escalate the hate all around and 'the responder' would not be a hate group.

Justifying 'hate' as a response to 'hate' is no better then the original offence and in fact may be worse.

If one has to justify or excuse their behavior, they know that behavior is suspect

It's amazing how people cannot understand that (in this case) the Unite whatever group had a legal permit and permission to hold a peaceful really. That is all legal and protected whether you agree with it or not. The average citizen does not have the right to block or interfere with said legal peaceful rally. Whether you agree with it or not. Anti-protesters who blocked them or participated in violence should have been removed by police per our nation's laws. Supporting the right of groups to hold legal peaceful rallies has no correlation to whether you support said group or anything they believe in.

If you want to take it up with the city as to why they allowed a permit for this gathering by all means please do. I don't believe any city should allow a gathering by any hate group.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13


It is a serious problem but not one without historical precedence.


When it comes to extremist in general. We are talking about a mindset that existed about 200 years ago and at the time was considered Liberal compared to other mindsets, political or otherwise during those time's. Implied is that there will come a time when the most liberal amongst us today could also fall under the definition of conservative extremism, in the future.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Sentiments ran high among the Nazis that their cause was stemmed out of victim-hood.

It's still their way of life. It takes that edge off knowing you follow a tradition of genocide and totalitarian racism.

With World War I, the whole war started because the diplomatic elites of European countries were making and breaking alliances, pacts and treaties willy-nilly like playing an online multiplayer game, changing sides every months. Frequently, they tried to assassinate each other like something out of spy-vs-spy. They completely lost track of all of this so that when one diplomat was killed, that triggered a cascade of pacts and alliances to activate, that suddenly the whole of Europe was at war with each other, leading to millions being killed.

After the war, the financial centre of England demanded punitive war reparations from Germany. That forced the German population into poverty, which then created resentment. It only took a small group of people to promise they could make things better by getting rid of all the crime, loan-sharks, decadence and war reparations. That started another World War.

Now, these white nationalists feel they are experiencing similar problems with jobs being offshored, illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, high taxation, affirmative action policies, mandatory health care insurance. Everything demanding money they don't have, wished upon them by progressives in liberal cities hundreds of miles away from where they live.
There are stories (slashdot.org) where children with a critical condition have had to be brought in through a back door into a community hospital because the patients in the waiting room would riot if they saw someone being given triage priority over them. Remember the cause of the Gibson guitar company:
www.npr.org...
Coal mines and power stations have been closed down with no other alternative employment for the workers found.
At best it's negligience, at worst it deliberate punishment of political opponents.

Even if they have a peaceful protest or march ,then the antifa are out there to give them some aggro. That only encourages the knuckleheads to come out with their battle gear (shields, helmets, flags) ready for a fight. They enjoy baiting and getting the Antifas to go violent.

There is this movie called. "Fiddler on the Roof"...


It presents the matter of an Israelite farmer who eventually relocated from his home in German controlled territory, during world war 2. It is a musical which early in the film present his daughters singing about the "Matchmaker", this was actually their father that would once they are of age, pick who will be there husband. In the film and beyond the referent of how things changed for the family due to Adolf Hitler.


His daughters refused there fathers directives and married men there own age. The implication, in relation to who the father in this story accepted as appropriate, as husbands. were people his own age that could afford to provide Dowries.

At the time this was pretty much acceptable behavior.

This issues still presents with respect to life on Earth.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Hatred should not be confused with extremism -- even if most extremist groups do promote intolerance and hostility to certain populations, they are not always one and the same.

For e.g., some Animal Rights Activists use extreme methods when taking part in their activism, but their acts are actually driven by love for animals, not hatred for people, even when humans or human interests might be harmed in the process.

Hate is a form of disliking something, disapproving methods and/or a goal. Responding to hate with hate or violence with violence begets more violence or hate, a group responding to a hate group becomes part of the problem. However the reaction is to drive the hatred back into the mind it came from, not to create more after it's been driven back and gone, no cause no reaction and we could all move on.

So I guess I agree, I don't see anything wrong with hating Isis using that as motivation to take some form of action enforced with liking the ideals of tolerance, peace, education. Although I wouldn't want war and would rather see appeasement being used more often, even if historically it seldom worked out. Because if you have an unhappy individual who lost his belief in good, or has a distorted sense of good, the only way to win them over is by showing a greater good. If a group would enter using violence, that group would simply not appear as a greater good and would be deemed evil by the agressor, who can't see he is evil himself and this creates all kinds of problems.

To 1 hate energy projected at others is a reflection of ones own internal hatred of themself.

A good way to eliminate that internal hatred or uhappiness is to seek within ourselves, locate that area of self hatred which can be linked to depression of some sort, recognize the issue and where it came or comes from.
And try to make that a start point to work from.

Ex- some CREATOR Creations may dislike their overall living conditions and or the people governing their political-religious-financial interest in various locations abroad.
At times these individuals develop a sense of hopelessness or feelings that their individual input on their interest is irrelevant. This hopelessness then becomes a major factor with the development of the internal depression or unhappiness.
This in turn becomes fuel for hatred to be projected outward as the individual(s) experiencing the internal depression basically go through a period of psychological pressure release.
This psychological release can be in form of hate rhetoric or hate based activity projected upon others. Ironically others of the same SPECIES
Which again ties into hating ones own self internally species wise...

With more concentrated recognition of these internal issues eventually more maturity as a WHOLE* should be accessible.
This increase of maturity in turn UPGRADES THE SPECIES OF MAN Consciously-Mentally-Physically-Spiritually.

NAMASTE*******

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

"Ironically others of the same SPECIES"


Ironically 200 years ago people and in relation to the color of their skin related to each other as inferior due to that difference.

They did not consider themselves members of the same species in relation to the general population.