When Will We Know The Long War On Terror Is Over

a reply to: MOMof3

Again, you have missed the point.

Until you cease to accept the lies, those being that the things we are seeing are strictly religious problems, rather than geopolitical ones which are caused ONLY by greed and propaganda issuing from those who engage most strongly with it, you will remain unable to interact with reality in an accurate and fair manner.

It was not religion that bought down the World Trade Centre, not religion that caused the 7/7 bombings, or the Manchester incident of late, but greed. Sure, the cause is invisible, because of the outrageousness of the event. No one wants to be honest about where this situation ACTUALLY came from, because it requires too much thought, and far too much honesty, not to mention the willingness to do to those much closer to home, what many insist ought to be done to those from foreign lands. But mark my words, the greed of the powerful is what lead to this situation, is its instigator, is its origin, and NOTHING else.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I think you missed the point. The powerful and rich use the religious faith and fervor for their purpose. It is the fault of the religious leaders to buy into it. I.E. the Christian god instructed his followers to go out two by two and change hearts, not make laws and war.

a reply to: dfnj2015

This is like a super cold war but instead of it being about two nation states, we've declared war on "bad people".

a reply to: MOMof3

Fault lay only with the instigators.

When you shout fire in a crowded theatre, it is you who is in the wrong, not those who clamoured for the door, and in their haste trampled those who stumbled on their way, or crushed people in the press to escape. Only the instigator can take the sort of responsibility, or deserves the sort of punishment, that people decide to apply to mere pawns.

a reply to: dfnj2015

On going, because is a steady flow of tax payer money, just like the war on poverty, drugs other tax payer funder projects that never ends.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well, let's put it out there for all to know and increase knowledge.

Your religious leaders are too stupid to know anything about god, peace, love, therefore not accountable.

a reply to: MOMof3

When a mafia gang get taken down, it is not because all the street level people got caught and put in jail, then squeezed for information. It comes when people realise the identity of the top men, and get enough dirt on them to put them away, at which point the structure begins to collapse, as the power vacuum created causes members of the outfit to vie for control. During this procedure, it is possible to capture many more members whilst they are about the business of performing take over moves, especially if ones intelligence is worth a damn.

Gangs get wound up from the top down. This mess is going to be no different. Until those funding the wars are considered enemies of the states involved with those wars, there will be no change, there will be no wind up, no end. The religious berserkers who are the front line of the matter, their captains and commanders, they are small fry and not the origin of the danger, only the tools by which it is presented to the world.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Where do these people get their money and power? Does it come from thin air? I live in the mountains of Idaho and don't know much about rich elites. I know a lot about Christian religion. My state legislature is made up of such. Since we have a lot of ammo manufacturing here, war is good and vote for funders of war. The Christians carry the state on every issue. My personal favorite, are the multiple laws to stop abortion, right along with a newer law giving Christians the right to let their children die from curable disease.

a reply to: MOMof3

Which people do you mean?

I only ask, because the vast majority of them get their money from private enterprise, not the donations of the clueless masses. Dick Cheney, for example, does not make money from Christian conservatives. He makes money from interests in global companies.

The only people making money directly from religion, are religious people. But the people funding proxy armies in the Middle East, from the United States and the UK, earn their money by way of arms sales and ownership of shares in oil companies and other resource speculation activities. So... whats your point?

"I only ask, because the vast majority of them get their money from private enterprise, not the donations of the clueless masses. Dick Cheney, for example, does not make money from Christian conservatives. He makes money from interests in global companies."

Christian conservatives always vote for republicans. The GOP, Mr Cheney being one, always serves the interest of the oil and global companies with powers of law and tax through the government. Like the bigly tax cut the GOP wants to pass now for the rich. So then, the private contributors will have more money.

a reply to: dfnj2015

The war no terror is like the war on drugs , it will never end , the names may change but the song will remain the same.

originally posted by: VimanaExplorer
When US presidents stop kneeling down to Saudi King

What are you talking about? Israel runs this country's foreign policy.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: dfnj2015

On going, because is a steady flow of tax payer money, just like the war on poverty, drugs other tax payer funder projects that never ends.

And you are okay with that?

originally posted by: Antipathy17
a reply to: dfnj2015

This is like a super cold war but instead of it being about two nation states, we've declared war on "bad people".

Yeah, bad people. Do we still have innocent until proven guilty or have we given up on that idea?

a reply to: MOMof3

That does not explain the stupidity of the last administration in continuing with any of it though, does it?

a reply to: TrueBrit

Congress can pull the funds at any time they want to stop president's wars. But, their congregation won't call for it.

originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: dfnj2015

The "War on Terror" is simply the moniker we have to assign in order to justify why we are there. We are there for one reason only. To protect and control the flow of the spice. Oil.

That's it.

No that's not it. Not it at all. Some people say the wars have been about taking oil off the market to increase the price. The US invaded Iraq to destroy a pipeline from Iraq to Europe. And they invaded Afghanistan to destroy a pipeline from Iran to China which would have significantly reduce oil on the world market.

Also, it's not about oil because our dependence on foreign oil is very low right now. Here's what I think is the real reason for the US foreign policy in the ME:

According to Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya in a 2011 Global Research article, The Yinon Plan was a continuation of Britain’s colonial design in the Middle East:

“[The Yinon plan] is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.

Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. In Iraq, on the basis of the concepts of the Yinon Plan, Israeli strategists have called for the division of Iraq into a Kurdish state and two Arab states, one for Shiite Muslims and the other for Sunni Muslims. The first step towards establishing this was a war between Iraq and Iran, which the Yinon Plan discusses.

The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan. Aside from a divided Iraq, which the Biden Plan also calls for, the Yinon Plan calls for a divided Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The partitioning of Iran, Turkey, Somalia, and Pakistan also all fall into line with these views. The Yinon Plan also calls for dissolution in North Africa and forecasts it as starting from Egypt and then spilling over into Sudan, Libya, and the rest of the region.

Greater Israel” requires the breaking up of the existing Arab states into small states.

“The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation… This is not a new idea, nor does it surface for the first time in Zionist strategic thinking. Indeed, fragmenting all Arab states into smaller units has been a recurrent theme.” (Yinon Plan, see below)

Viewed in this context, the war on Syria and Iraq is part of a process of Israeli territorial expansion.

originally posted by: Outlier13
But let's not forget that the Middle East is not our only theater of operation. Last year alone we ran special operations missions in over 120 countries.

I'm not sure this is relevant to the question. The US military adventurism is out-of-control. We need to return to a Pat Buchannan conservatism for foreign policy.

"Viewed in this context, the war on Syria and Iraq is part of a process of Israeli territorial expansion."


I came to that conclusion too, it's about Israel. That's why we will be there forever, unless Christians along with the rest of us start protesting.

a reply to: Azureblue

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

NEVER!!!

That only works when you are against an invading force, and you have the trust of the civilians..

By definition in a democratic country anyone forming terrorist cells will be treated as terrorists..

Maybe , maybe if the US gov. screws up more than once , big time and kills a school full of children while going for the terrorists, MAYBE you could gain enough backing to make change.. maybe..

CX.