a reply to: Hecate666
The only ones you should be preaching to or have a go at is muslims who are completely rejecting our way of life and yet want to preserve theirs,
despite accepting all of our benefits [apart from freedom or rights of women of course].
Think man! Think. You are not protecting our freedom, you are protecting their closed mindedness. Thanks.
First of all, this segment of your post absolutely outlines your wrong think in all of this. Muslims in general do NOT need a bloody good talking to
about the dangers of radical Islam, or about integration into our culture, any more than any other group of people need talking to about the dangers
of radicalisation of their demography, whatever it might be. Muslims by and large are NOT rejecting our way of life, are happy as any one of us is to
sit down with a cup of tea and a biscuit, discussing the matters of the day, are adept at queuing, capable of just as much complaint about faulty
public services as any indigenous group (although that term has no meaning, since all British genetics is a hodgepodge anyway) are, in fact, capable
and willing to be part of British society. The vast majority of them are not out there, protesting and asking for some sort of Sharia law, or for
special dispensations allowing them to murder each other in the street over matters of so called honour. Most of those who have arrived here, did so
because they wanted to escape that moronic death spiral, and live in some relative freedom.
So no, most Muslims in this country do NOT need that discussion. They DO however need to be treated with the same respect we give to one another,
because ostracising them over the actions of a minority of idiots in their midst, can only lead to them being isolated from the communities that
people complain they refuse to engage with. There has been, in all of the discussion both in the high political sphere, and at street level,
absolutely nothing mentioned about how communities are responsible for making others welcome. I am not talking about changes to discrimination law, or
alterations to guidance for law enforcement officialdom for dealing with matters which may have a cultural element to them. I am talking about the
basic interactions between indigenous (with the same caveat as earlier) residents, and new intake into our country. At no point has anyone suggested
that perhaps not being a filthy, mindless, Murdoch press obsessive bastard, would induce better cross cultural respect, tolerance and even friendship.
At no point has anyone suggested that communities ought to be as willing to accept new people, as we expect new people to be willing and eager to join
Nope, its all on the new blood, the person who has not had time to learn English yet, because their school was blown up by an airstrike, its all on
them, the people who have fled backward dictatorial regimes, in order to perhaps secure a future for their children which is not riven by death and
constant threat of the same. Its all on those who knew their homelands were broken places, and came here to escape those threats, to prove that they
know they are in a better place at the moment, and have respect for it? One has to reason, that they knew that, which is why many of them risked
dangerous sea crossings, marches across hundreds of kilometers of unforgiving terrain, crossing borders with or without the consent of those guarding
the crossing points, constant danger, hunger leading to starvation, risking dying from thirst, JUST to get a shot at reaching a place of genuine
All but a tiny minority, have no intention of making this country, more like the one they left.
And here is the real nitty gritty of the problem. If you tell me that because a tiny number of people from a certain demography pose a risk, means
that the entire demography must be treated differently to everyone else, suspected, ostracised and alienated, then I tell you this, you are part of
the problem. I am not like unto others in my community. It took me, a person of largely celtic stock, with a history in this country going back to its
every corner, reaching hundreds and hundreds of years into the past, the better part of a decade to be understood and accepted, for people local to me
to get used to my presence, my difference from them, in appearance, thinking, hobbies and beliefs, and I am a white, Christian Briton.
I refuse point blank to believe therefore, that the entire problem we are seeing with Muslim integration has to do with Muslims themselves. I know
better, because I have received the sort of treatment that many of them do. "We do not understand you, therefore we do not like you, and see no reason
to spend time with you". Never mind the fact that spending that time would aid in mutual understanding, no matter that announcing ones dislike at the
beginning of an interaction is not conducive to a positive outcome, we complain at Muslims for failing to integrate with people who ACTIVELY DESPISE
THEM, without having dealt with any single one of them on their individual merits. That is the reality of the situation.
edit on 7-4-2017 by
TrueBrit because: grammatical error correction