Let's Pretend AGW is a Thing

So, let's pretend that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a thing for a moment. I have a question for all of you true believers out there...what do you propose to do about it? What do you want ME to do about it?

I know we can argue back and forth forever on if it is actually REAL, but I think if the steps that are to be implemented can be done with out Globalist control and can be accomplished while doing positive things for the environment that we can agree on then maybe we can find some common ground.

What exactly do you think needs to be done IF AGW is real?

a reply to: Metallicus

a reply to: Metallicus

I have a question for all of you true believers out there...what do you propose to do about it? What do you want ME to do about it?

Wouldn't you want to be the best steward of the planet on which you live?

a reply to: Liquesence
But I'm, I live in California so that's like living in the global warming Vatican. Does that count for something?
How much good to the environment do we have to do to please Mother Earth?

I think the best thing we can do is push for a heavy investment into alternative clean energy initiatives, solar panels, wind, hydro, etc. With that, investments in technology R&D that will counter the damage already done through atmospheric scrubbing (building a better tree so to speak).

What you personally can do (outside of the normal recycling and such) will be first off, accepting the hard science that has already proven this and from there, speak out for these new technologys to be funded with tax dollars that normally goes towards nonsense and giving oil companys billions just for the hell of it.

originally posted by: Metallicus
So, let's pretend that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a thing for a moment. I have a question for all of you true believers out there...what do you propose to do about it? What do you want ME to do about it?

I know we can argue back and forth forever on if it is actually REAL, but I think if the steps that are to be implemented can be done with out Globalist control and can be accomplished while doing positive things for the environment that we can agree on then maybe we can find some common ground.

What exactly do you think needs to be done IF AGW is real?

While I have a hard time believing that AGW is a real problem considering the earth has a very volatile volcanic history that didn't ruin the earth, I do wonder how much the Fukushima disaster is warming the pacific. That is a lot of heat energy being dumped daily into it. At some point it has to be increasing the temperature in the pacific at the very least in the local vicinity of the plant. How far that warming spreads and how much is being dispersed is open to debate. The pacific is huge, but that dumping has been ongoing nonstop for nearly six years now. Probably a drop in the bucket considering the size of the pacific, but there's no doubt it has to be warming it up a bit in places.

The only thing that can truly be done about it is to immediately stop emitting greenhouse gases.

I'm not saying it's practical, but that's it. The 'carbon tax' is a stupid idea.

a reply to: Metallicus


Bring back the dinosaurs, they can eat the sick and weak and of course, the old.

Thinking 65th birthday you get a special "T-Rex" Surprise.



It's like the Eskimos, but Jurassic.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Metallicus

I have a question for all of you true believers out there...what do you propose to do about it? What do you want ME to do about it?

Wouldn't you want to be the best steward of the planet on which you live?

Not really, it's just a hunk of rock. I want humanity to expand out into the solar system/galaxy/cosmos. After all the Earth will become unlivable someday, no matter how great of stewards we are, there are many natural disasters we will have no control over, in fact we're already overdue. We might as well use whatever resources this rock has to offer to get us out of here, and try to preserve the greatest thing the Earth has ever produced, humanity.

originally posted by: Nucleardoom

While I have a hard time believing that AGW is a real problem considering the earth has a very volatile volcanic history that didn't ruin the earth, I do wonder how much the Fukushima disaster is warming the pacific. That is a lot of heat energy being dumped daily into it. At some point it has to be increasing the temperature in the pacific at the very least in the local vicinity of the plant. How far that warming spreads and how much is being dispersed is open to debate. The pacific is huge, but that dumping has been ongoing nonstop for nearly six years now. Probably a drop in the bucket considering the size of the pacific, but there's no doubt it has to be warming it up a bit in places.

And not just volcanic activity but asteroid impacts. I would imagine those would have a huge effect on our climate in proportion to their size. I think nature laughs at our hubris that we have a lasting impact on climate.

But that is probably off topic.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Metallicus

I have a question for all of you true believers out there...what do you propose to do about it? What do you want ME to do about it?

Wouldn't you want to be the best steward of the planet on which you live?

Not really, it's just a hunk of rock. I want humanity to expand out into the solar system/galaxy/cosmos. After all the Earth will become unlivable someday, no matter how great of stewards we are, there are many natural disasters we will have no control over, in fact we're already overdue. We might as well use whatever resources this rock has to offer to get us out of here, and try to preserve the greatest thing the Earth has ever produced, humanity.

I hope you're not serious. If you are, you're an idiot.

Do you take care you the place in which you personally live, whether land/house owner, apartment dweller, etc (or do you live with you parents) even though it will one day become inhabitable?

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Metallicus

I have a question for all of you true believers out there...what do you propose to do about it? What do you want ME to do about it?

Wouldn't you want to be the best steward of the planet on which you live?

Not really, it's just a hunk of rock. I want humanity to expand out into the solar system/galaxy/cosmos. After all the Earth will become unlivable someday, no matter how great of stewards we are, there are many natural disasters we will have no control over, in fact we're already overdue. We might as well use whatever resources this rock has to offer to get us out of here, and try to preserve the greatest thing the Earth has ever produced, humanity.

I hope you're not serious. If you are, you're an idiot.

I'm deadly serious, and correct. And thanks for the insult, it lets me see exactly where your maturity level is at. If you don't agree with me, then you must be an idiot. Why not try to argue your case without the juvenile school yard tactics. Name calling weakens your case, it doesn't strengthen it.

Adjust to it, which will happen in any case due to limits to growth:

www.theguardian.com...

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Metallicus


Bring back the dinosaurs, they can eat the sick and weak and of course, the old.

Thinking 65th birthday you get a special "T-Rex" Surprise.

It's like the Eskimos, but Jurassic.

Brilliant it also solves healthcare rising cost,medicaid, and social security on one sweep. However, ho much gas is in a T-Rex fart that can effect ozone layer?

a reply to: Metallicus

What exactly do you think needs to be done IF AGW is real?

Well see that's just it.

Despite being told repeatedly that the science is settled on AGW, no one on the side of AGW can actually explain the casual efficacy that we have over our planet.

They just want a carbon tax, and their underlings have been taught that if you oppose AGW then you are out to get the environment.

Remember Captain Planet? Indoctrination starts early...

a reply to: Metallicus

What exactly do you think needs to be done IF AGW is real?

Well according to hollywood and billionaires that are leading the fight against AGW and being green.

We need to buy as many mansions around the world that we can with lots of square footage including neighbors property because nobody likes to be seen from a 100000x telescope lens, use private jets and copters as much as possible,purchase mile long yacht with a secondary yacht to bring your other toys behind, buy a gazillion gas guzzling cars but only make a point to take pictures with a prius, increase our utility bills to the point it causes outages and water shortages and when they occur just pay extra to keep doing it. Then preach to those less fortunate than you to do their part and look down at them if they dont .

apparently its the same solution they use for implementing socialism and equality.

Al Gore probably has a larger carbon footprint in one day than I do in one year. When he, and those like him, accept some of the responsibility and burden, then maybe I will too. Until then, I see it as nothing more than a globalist elitist scam to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, just like everything else these people espouse.

no need to pretend. If you are really interested in the subject, the Berkely Earth Project has a lot of great info. To give you some background, the Koch brothers (big oil guys behind the keystone pipeline) hired a climate change skeptic to go over the data and look for Bias and poor quality stations and to testify in front of congress during carbon tax hearings.

funny thing happened.

the climate change skeptic who thought the claims were exaggerations let the data inform his conclusion and concluded that AGW is not only happening, it is due to human activity. They also studied solar input and debunked that, the warming is not due to solar fluctuations.

To answer your question, if everybody did a little it would make a huge difference.

I had the local utility come in for an energy audit. They found multiple issues. I have made many changes, but still need to make more.

I am saving money, and cutting back on my carbon footprint.

We can have a huge influence in the market by "voting with our wallets" I am in the market for a car, and MPG is very high on my list. I am in the market for a new hot water heater, efficiency is very high on my list.

We don't have to walk to work or turn our roofs into greenways, just have an awereness that every decision adds up

a reply to: Metallicus


1. many desk jobs can be done remotely using technology which can cut down in traffic , gas, and other none green friendly things. All gov't and private desk workers should be working form home where possible. Create regulations to mandate this ,versus taxing people.

2. Encourage self independence from the grid and utilities by allowing home owners to install their own alternative clean energy solutions such as solar,wind, water catching methods, etc and telling the HOA to F off with their bylaws versus taxing people.

3. Cut back the work week hours and allow for more flexible work hours to accommodate for reasonable car pooling or bike ride to work, versus taxing the people.

4. Create golf cart lanes inside cities with recharging stations from alternative clean energy versus taxing the people..


We need to look at methods other than just punishing and taxing the middle class. If we are going to tax people than tax people that are living in extreme excessiveness (ie those who want a carbon tax) and ensure no loop holes for them .

a reply to: interupt42

I find it interesting that all of your ideas (which do sound practical) are beyond the ability of individuals to implement. The only people who have the power to implement them are those who are crying for taxation and doing nothing else.

Personally, I hate the cold. Al Gore promised me Global Warming, and I expect him to follow through!

TheRedneck