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Where indeed.
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: irenialilivenka
The Divine Name King James Bible (DNKJB) uses the name "Jehovah" also in the Christian Greek Scriptures.
There is no evidence or logical reason to argue that Jesus never uttered the name Jehovah
when he was quoting the Hebrew Scriptures that contained that name and especially since the bible contradicts your tricky way of reasoning or arguing about this subject as the videos explain. And why don't you play the same tricky game with the name Jesus? Then suddenly the translation "Jesus" is just fine and isn't a reason to share a bunch of misleading distracting red herrings and things that are incorrect/untrue?
JW ARCHIVES DIVINE NAME JHWH YHWH JEHOVAH NWT NIV COMPARE.
God's Name Jehovah part 1 (watch till 3:53)
Jn 17,6, 11, 26 How Did Jesus Make the Name of God Known p.1
Jn 17,6, 11, 26 How Did Jesus Make the Name of God Known P2
Given the information regarding vowel marks given in the video entitled "God's Name Jehovah part 1", page 10 in the pdf below becomes a lot more interesting:
THE BIBLE AND THE DIVINE NAME
originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: irenialilivenka
Jesus using God's name was recorded, sticking your head in the sand and repeating your 'spelling'-routine isn't going to change anything other than affect people.
But perhaps that's your main purpose for being here, others seem to know better who you are (or your original accountname). What I'm wondering though, do you also have a main account and are only making new accounts every few months so that you can repeat your routine again with a clean record without it tainting your main account. For the gullible ones who don't know you are incapable of speaking the truth about something that is important (such as the identity or name of God).
You're always arguing for that which Akragon and Matrixsurvivor like to argue for as well (or encourage other people to think about), and you sound like SethTsaddik/TerriblePhoenix. Aren't they missing you in the Paul-bashing and slandering threads? Where all the ones supposedly sticking up for Paul are also twisting his words and not really defending Paul as they say things like "In defence of Paul...."* or use their eisegesis regarding theosophies from Christendom to read things regarding for example the topics of "faith", "grace" and the doctrine of the Trinity into Paul's words and then argue for those in supposed defence of Paul, Christianity and the bible?
*: that wasn't a quotation from those threads but from my thread "One myth leads to another" from Seede while he was pretending to defend Paul while placing a subtle one below the belt by accusing Paul of joining a cult/sect when he became a Christian, in so doing also accusing true Christianity of being a cult, just like the (mostly Jewish) opposers of Paul and Christianity did in Paul's time, what else is new under the sun, nothing apparently (Eccl.1:9). And all this while claiming to be a "Christian". Nice game you people play here. Raggedyman (the supposed Chrsitian) sides with nameless and assists him with his paintjobs on me, nameless quoted Wilson who was a friend of Aleister Crowley ( a known Satanist, telling regarding Raggedyman playing along with nameless), ChesterJohn can't accept the words from the AV/KJV that he claims is the only reliable source regarding God's Word and contradicts it directly by denying that Jesus has a God, Akragon pretends to take no position and be all innocent as he gets people going on the Paul+bible bashing+discrediting bandwagon, then you have a bunch of people calling themselves enlightened, ...light, etc. who are so much in the dark and spreading darkness that they couldn't tie their own shoelaces if they even wanted to do so in the first place. Did I leave any of the regular commenters out? Don't feel left out, the spirit of the world and this system of things affects everyone, including me and my patience.
originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: Abysha
That is a great question. It is my belief that no one could live up to the example of Christ. Some believe that is the reason he had to be sacrificed. To save the world.
To cover our many sins with his perfect nature. If you do follow Christ fully, if that could even be done, I don't think you would live very long. Everyone would be against you in today's age, even the so called churches.
When? And how does a mans death "save the world" when it didn't even save the Nazarenes from being declared heretics, the "Jewish Christians" or Nazarenes, the descendants of Jesus and James, Peter, and John was persecuted out of existence so Rome could claim legitimacy over Jerusalem and to being the "True Church" of Jesus.
So it didn't save his friends or their descendants and has been the reason for more death than salvation
Take responsibility for your sins and stop engaging in human sacrifice paganism thinking it was what Jesus taught.
originally posted by: irenialilivenka
All due respect nobody takes the JW's seriously, Christians make fun of you only less than the Mormons and say your religion is Satanic.
“Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake.”—MATTHEW 5:11.
Name-Calling
Some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts. Name-calling slaps a negative, easy-to-remember label onto a person, a group, or an idea. The name-caller hopes that the label will stick. If people reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative label instead of weighing the evidence for themselves, the name-caller’s strategy has worked.
For example, in recent years a powerful antisect sentiment has swept many countries in Europe and elsewhere. This trend has stirred emotions, created the image of an enemy, and reinforced existing prejudices against religious minorities. Often, “sect” becomes a catchword. “‘Sect’ is another word for ‘heretic,’” wrote German Professor Martin Kriele in 1993, “and a heretic today in Germany, as in former times, is [condemned to extermination]—if not by fire . . . , then by character assassination, isolation and economic destruction.”
The Institute for Propaganda Analysis notes that “bad names have played a tremendously powerful role in the history of the world and in our own individual development. They have ruined reputations, . . . sent [people] to prison cells, and made men mad enough to enter battle and slaughter their fellowmen.”
originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: whereislogic
No non JW Bible uses Jehovah in the New Testament and only a couple do for the Old.
originally posted by: whereislogic
originally posted by: irenialilivenka
All due respect nobody takes the JW's seriously, Christians make fun of you only less than the Mormons and say your religion is Satanic.
The proof or evidence is in the videos.
The proof that you were spreading falsehoods and are now quickly talking past one particular lie and (or also by) changing (switching away from) your earlier claim that I responded to by reminding everyone of the Divine Name King James Bible,
is in my commentary and your follow-up commentary, demonstrating an unwillingness to acknowledge that you were spreading a falsehood or to come clean about it. This behaviour is exactly the same as SethTsaddik did in the thread about Marcion, he also was spreading falsehoods and when being corrected he also quickly switched to another falsehood, twists or half-truths and immediately attempting to turn the thread into a mudslinging contest boasting about his own knowledge, understanding and insight into what is supposedly true about the subject spoken of.
I'm not angry
about demonstrations of the bible verses that speak about hypocrisy and similar bible verses such as the one speaking about those painting light (love, accurate knowledge, loving reproof and correction) as darkness (anger or hate) and darkness (dismissive disdainfulness, hate, falsehoods, deception, negative picture painting, slander, ad hominems) as light (enlightenment, knowledge and implying "all due respect" when there is no respect for the person spoken to or group spoken about). The persecution described in the bible is not limited to physical violence.
Persecuted yet Happy
“Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake.”—MATTHEW 5:11.
"Sect" is a synonym for "cult" and is a word that has been used to slander real Christians since Christianity began.
Name-Calling
Some people insult those who disagree with them by questioning character or motives instead of focusing on the facts. Name-calling slaps a negative, easy-to-remember label onto a person, a group, or an idea. The name-caller hopes that the label will stick. If people reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative label instead of weighing the evidence for themselves, the name-caller’s strategy has worked.
For example, in recent years a powerful antisect sentiment has swept many countries in Europe and elsewhere. This trend has stirred emotions, created the image of an enemy, and reinforced existing prejudices against religious minorities. Often, “sect” becomes a catchword. “‘Sect’ is another word for ‘heretic,’” wrote German Professor Martin Kriele in 1993, “and a heretic today in Germany, as in former times, is [condemned to extermination]—if not by fire . . . , then by character assassination, isolation and economic destruction.”
The Institute for Propaganda Analysis notes that “bad names have played a tremendously powerful role in the history of the world and in our own individual development. They have ruined reputations, . . . sent [people] to prison cells, and made men mad enough to enter battle and slaughter their fellowmen.”
The Manipulation of Information: Awake!—2000
"They intend to make my people forget my name..." Jehovah said (through one of his prophets) at Jer.23:27.
originally posted by: irenialilivenka
a reply to: whereislogic
No non JW Bible uses Jehovah in the New Testament and only a couple do for the Old.