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"F-19" confirmed (cough cough) at Tonopah Test Range

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posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

i cant pull (cell phone)the sightings and new paper reports during gulf war 1, many people in and out of the armed services saw these aircraft.

and were basiclly all but admitted to in a few news articles
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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 03:27 AM
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I read those reports and there's even a couple of people on here who were there who said they saw Black Triangles.

There are certainly SAP originating exotic aircraft flying around then and now but I cant find any evidence beyond hearsay of an actual F117 Companion/F19.

How many other formerly classified technologies and aircraft have had the light of day shone on them since the F117?

Unless the companion is a flying environmental disaster waiting to happen - I cant think of any reason for it to be secret for so long.

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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 03:57 AM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

If the companion was the keystone to coordinating stealth bomber attacks i could see many reasons to keep its mission and potential us vulnerability a secret.



posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Jukiodone

If the companion was the keystone to coordinating stealth bomber attacks i could see many reasons to keep its mission and potential us vulnerability a secret.




Stealth Fighter: A Year in the Life of an F-117 Pilot


I suggest those who believe this "companion" story get this book for starters. Not a lot of freedom being a F117 pilot. Targets are well known in advance. They plug in a computerized flight plan prior to the mission. And by plug in, I mean physically plug in a hard drive.


After the mission briefing, a detailed flight plan is entered onto a hard-drive back at base, which is then plugged directly into the avionics system of the plane. The jet takes off, flies a complicated, precise pattern to the objective that is designed to steer clear of anti-aircraft threats, then zeroes in on the selected targets with laser-guidance and/or Global Positioning System coordinates.


abcnews.go.com...
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The "complicated" route includes notching. Flying in a straight line can get you shot.
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posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 11:01 AM
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Just been re-reading about Quartz/AARS and the alleged comment from one of the project engineers about it "being the cats pyjamas" and it being head and shoulders above its counterparts for stealth had me wondering.


Was all the testors F19/retractable canards just distractions for what could have been a predecessor operating in the required timeframe?

The specific AARS offshoot seems to be a low observable/ long loitering variant and there is that reference to it being part of a family of systems....

To reveal one might be to reveal the others which is a good reason to keep something covered up for so long.

Evidence still says probably not for a F117 companion - but if AARS did actually prove fruitful- you could argue for a potential crossover with a family member/predecessor in the publicised F117 operational timeframe.
If it was long loitering it maybe did link with up with the F117 but would be unlikely to take off or land with it?
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posted on Mar, 9 2017 @ 06:48 PM
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I don't know about Panama, but everywhere the F-117 was used in action didn't exactly lend itself to a private take-off and landing. More like CNN footage.

Presuming you fight like you train, I doubt some experimental aircraft will be used in a bombing run. At least not USAF. JSOC, CIA, hey, why not.



posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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From what I've gathered, the AARS was the strategic equivalent of the companion, using extreme loitering to become a "flying satellite" like the scaled Proteus was.

Only, this "flying satellite" carried an SAR system that would make an ONYX/LACROS jealous, which it used to track moving targets like the J-STARS did so that the B-2s could have updated targeting data for the Soviet ICBM TEL's that they were designed to kill.

That would essentially make it an evolved descendant of the F-117/Companion mission, which would the obviously be the tactical-oriented forebear.

My hunch though was that rather than being an exclusive targeting aircraft, the companion was more of an ECM/SEAD bird, and operated as a stealth jammer/wild weasel to soften enemy defenses and open up a path for the F-117. Target designation is probably a secondary capability for it, if that even exists at all.

I'd imagine that mission role made it much more useful for much longer than the one-trick-pony F-117 was, and I'm sure that it would also be involved in escorting OTHER stealth assets into hostile airspace *COUGH* NEPTUNE SPEAR *COUGH*, which again is why it is still classified, because of what it might have helped to do.

As to operational footprints, if they could keep the stealthhawks and the 2014 triangles under wraps, then what's to say they couldn't also hide a half dozen Wild Weasel versions of the Tacit Blue/ATA-B/Sneaky Pete/whatever early 80s stealth design it was actually based on in a couple hangars at TTR.
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posted on Mar, 22 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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Radar signals can be jammed from a distance. But if you are using stealth, why jam.

Thus far nothing said has made a bit of sense regarding a so-called companion. If there was ISR with loiter, that is simply a different and unrelated aircraft.



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