WHY did the Russians do it????

If Putin wanted to hack DNC, all he had to do was give Netanyahu a call to unleash Mossad. Putin gets the blame but Democrats lose the election. No one will blame Israel and there is no evidence against Putin because FSB / GRU didn't do it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Indigo5

Yes..Russia hacked the DNC...No.. the DNC is not a government agency, it is private...just like the RNC, the Green Party et al. The US government does not manage or run Presidential or congressional candidates campaigns.

In the end the DNC worked hard to prevent The Burn from winning when they saw him gaining momentum, isn't that something you would have liked to know about? Also it is very likely that Hillary was fed questions.... something else one would like to know about.

Sure...but in the age of Information Flood...Selective leaking and spin is how force is exerted.

I am no longer concerned with the DNC, Hillary etc. ANY candidate that is unable to beat the woman-groping cheetoh-head handily...had no business being in the ring in the first place. She sucked as a candidate and ran a bad campaign..makes Trump no less an unprecedented dumpster fire of a POTUS..

What concerns me is the future...We do nothing to hit back and 4 years from now, some other idiot can decide to be MORE Putin loving than Trump and challenge him..Then Putin both releases the RNC hack data he has reserved plus new hack and campaign to support that NEW guy to undercut Trump..Or Dems decide they want them some of Putin's help and alter platform to kiss his ass...We allow him to get away with it this time and we could end up with future elections involving pandering to Putin hoping for his help or in fear that he will tilt the scale against them if they speak negatively about him...and that is just effed-up. It's a non-partisan danger.. Nobody whould worry about kissing a foreign leader's ass to win a US election.

If the Russians did it then they got info from a DNC insider(s) in the first place, so the Russians might have been the tool used but not the reason. Even Wikileaks is hard set in saying the Russians were not the primary party in the exposure of the emails.

No and no...Where the hack came from and when etc. has been nailed down to exact seconds, links etc. No mystery there. Wikileaks is a Russian tool...Assange even defended Putin when the Panama Paers leaked showing Putin's oligarchs and cronies hiding money...the Panama papers weren't wikileaks. What assange is claiming is that Guccifer 2.0 is just some anonymous hacker...when every intelligence community and every private security firm..including the one protecting Trumps email..clearly has shown that Guccifer 2.0 is US Russian GRU (Fancy Bears) moniker for leaking.


Assange says not Russians cuz he got it from some guy Guccifer 2.0...Everyone else on the planet has shown through direct traces and code that Guccifer 2.0 is Russian Military...Assange never acknowledges that.

originally posted by: tridalop
there is no evidence against Putin because FSB / GRU didn't do it.

This is the exact opposite of true.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Indigo5

They also released DNC donor personal info and CC numbers etc. ...which no doubt was aimed at dampening contributions.

Safe to say...They found equally salacious if not more damaging stuff when they hacked RNC and GOP Operatives, PACs etc.

The idea that hackers would have to know what they would find before hacking is 110% illogical. That is not how hacking works.

Then why wasn't the RNC hacked also

IT WAS...and that is the worrisome thing...Not just the RNC, but GOP "Political Operatives" and potentially congressman.

Past congressional scandals have included predilections for young boys, closeted homosexuality, extra-marital affairs and boring old financial fraud and corruption...

If the Russians have even a little of that via their hack that they are reserving for later blackmail use, we need to get in front of it for obvious purposes.

More mundane uses would be to lever that material in 4 years if Trump does not act as Russia friendly as Putin hopes.

All evidence points to the fact that this is a huge diversion. A distraction by the president and others attempting to divert attention so to avoid prosecution of Obama, HRC and others who are heavily involved with child porn/trafficking, pedophilia, etc--> Pizzagate.

originally posted by: Indigo5


Every country spies and hacks...But NO they do not conduct hacking/cyber campaigns with the aim of influencing the electoral process.

No they dont. You are 100% right.

If its the USA they bomb them or fund terrorists groups within that countrys.

originally posted by: Indigo5

IT WAS...and that is the worrisome thing...Not just the RNC, but GOP "Political Operatives" and potentially congressman.

Past congressional scandals have included predilections for young boys, closeted homosexuality, extra-marital affairs and boring old financial fraud and corruption...

The part that bothers me here at home and the reason so many might have had a quick reaction to disagree with Russia's involvement was that the focus of this administration was not that Russia hacked all they could, but that they wanted Trump in office so they hacked the DNC. This was all done to continue down the path that Trumps victory was not right. First the voter recounts that was a total waste of money other than to put doubt in people's head and then the spin that Russia was working to get Trump in office.

In the end the Democrats actually got the most play out of all this in either trying to setup 2020, or they still can't believe Hillary could have lost honestly without foul play involved.

originally posted by: MOMof3
We will see. If trump does not please Putin, he will turn on Republicans.

And therefore...if he DOESN'T turn on Trump, it is obviously because Trump is his puppet? Yeah, your leftist bullcrap has been exposed for the entire world to see. Your attempts to skew the truth has been exposed. No one believes you nor this sad attempt to twist the truth further.

You are all invisible, without authority and therefore worthless. You chose lies over truth. Live with it.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I'd be surprised if they didn't at least try to do it , I can see several reasons why a Trump Presidency would be good for Russia.

I can see several reasons a Trump Presidency is good for many.

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: Annee

My understanding, from speaking often with former students who have returned to Russia, is that they have far more "sides" than do we. I think there are four or five represented in national legislature. They have more choices when it comes to representation. The restrictions on the Orthodox church have been removed and Putin has made it okay to be a person of faith in a higher power. I'm not sure whether that would be considered fundamentalist or not.

I fully agree that neither Putin nor Trump wants war. No sane person wants war. Trump has more reasons than most of us not to want war since his business depends on people being able to travel freely and spend time enjoying themselves in their leisure time. I understand that it is people who are investing in warmongering who are attempting to push the buttons that would make them money. I also understand that some of those folks probably contributed to the Trump campaign but since he spent mostly his own money, I don't really see how they could have a lot of influence over him.
I understand why the banksters want war and why they hate Putin. But again, they have largely lost their influence so despite my uncertainty about what sort of leader the Donald will be, it would seem that at least some of influence of those folks has been lost to them. Yeah, they probably own most of the Congress critters but Congress has turned over the business of war-making to the president so maybe that's a good thing.

China? China is a communist country. I don't see how we can unite with them any more than we can unite with other countries who condone slavery.

Your last paragraph. Obama and Clinton have had no problem supporting and aligning with countries that support slavery, terrorism, gay murder, the abuse of women, the rape of children, etc. If they can align with THAT, why not Communists?

I have no love of Putin. I know exactly what he is and what he does. But I will ask this knowing the answer. Who has done more to harm America...Putin or Obama?

You can guess my opinion.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

WHY did the Russians do it????

I would ask before anything else is asked "what have they shown to have done?". Once anything that is claimed is proven we can go on with the rest in a realistic capacity.

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