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US/Nato V Russia - A Question?

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posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 06:23 PM
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a reply to: glend

That map isn't entirely accurate. Nimitz is several weeks away from availability for deployment. She's heading back out off the West Coast for flight deck verification, qualifications after coming out of maintenance.




posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 06:25 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

When it comes to such matters, the media are almost entirely reliant on what the defence establishment tells them - press briefings, official announcements, interviews with top brass, that sort of thing.

Since virtually all mainstream news relies on authoritative sources, it's no great conjuring trick to make sure that their coverage fits a preconceived agenda, and in this case it's NATO's.

Garbage in, garbage out.



posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: audubon

When it comes to defense matters lately, the media is more likely to read a blog or online source and post utter crap than they are to rely on anyone actually in the know. There are some that will absolutely use it to their advantage, to get more money for their pet project, but the driving force is the media.
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posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 06:36 PM
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originally posted by: audubon
This whole 'English Channel infringement' business is propaganda.


It's not propaganda. It's news.



posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

I see. And how do you think propaganda is disseminated, exactly?



posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: audubon
I see. And how do you think propaganda is disseminated, exactly?


It's news. The media in the UK and Europe report it as such because it does not often happen. It's also linked with Syria. News is not propaganda. On the other hand, RT.com is propaganda because it is reporting a bias and government controlled story.

The real news is that the bloody carrier did not break down, or choke the South of England with the smoke from its funnels.



posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: GERRY041284

Obama's always a few steps ahead of Putin. In six months, Russia will be bankrupt; he won the second col war just before it heated up. That's a genius at work: Obama totally outplayed the Russians.



posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: flatbush71

Statics and dynamics lol

No dont start posting pages of pdfs that was the whole point of my original post.......



posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Again u didnt pick up on my original post! 2016 and you sir think thats it, thats wot Russia has to offer



posted on Oct, 22 2016 @ 11:57 PM
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a reply to: GERRY041284

The Russian military has been a victim of three major issues that have badly hurt their capabilities. Lack of funding that gutted their forces and readiness, bad corruption, and poor production capabilities.

The first and second have been somewhat overcome, but it's going to take time to get their readiness rates up to where they once were.

The third is hitting them hard right now. They're in the process of modernizing their Air Force, but running into problems. They've lost two Tu-95s to engine fires in the last 6 months, and over this past summer lost 7 fixed wing aircraft, and two helicopters in 8 weeks.

Russia has great engineers, and great designs, but they have a lot of years to catch up. Their production capability was gutted after the end of the Cold War. Some of the stories, confirmed by their own military, are crazy. And no, they weren't just trying to fool intelligence services.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 06:58 AM
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a reply to: GERRY041284

Turks shot down a Russian fighter this year. Nothing happened except a ban of tourism, imports/exports, some other threats lol. Nato did not back them up btw. Two governments just agreed on to go back to the old agreements including the mediums I mentioned.
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posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: paraphi


News is not propaganda.


Not by definition, no, but it can be. You can read about the Chomsky-Herman 'propaganda model' here.

I think that the problem a lot of people have with propaganda and news is that they think propaganda is by definition false. Actually, propaganda arguably has more effectiveness if it is true, or at least recognisably truth-based.

If you doubt this assertion, I invite you to spend a week watching only Fox News.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: luciferslight

no russia wants trump and trump likes putin because he has so many bankruptcies his credit is shot. he cant borrow money from traditional banks.

to fund his hotels, he has gone to russia and made friends with putin and his billionaire oligarchs for loans to build his hotels.

its why trumps a putin puppet. its why he wont say anything negative about russia or putin cuz thats the only place he can get loans from.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

thats because russias economy is slightly larger than mexicos. they are not an economic super power, 70 percent of their revenue comes from oil and gas.

its why dropping the oil price, is their achilles heel and russia's economy and currency is falling.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: GERRY041284

Obama's always a few steps ahead of Putin. In six months, Russia will be bankrupt; he won the second col war just before it heated up. That's a genius at work: Obama totally outplayed the Russians.



this is true because russia is dependent on oil and gas for revenue. 70 percent of russias revenue is oil and gas. their economy is slightly larger than mexicos if you want to know how big their economy globally is.

because russia does not control the global economic and financial systems.

they dont have to go to war militarily to defeat russia.

because russia dependent on oil and gas their achilles heel.

they just have to keep dropping the price of oil and gas and increase sanctions to bankrupt the oil and gas based economy of russia.

which is what is happening.

in 6 months russia is bankrupt.

its why there is this posturing by putin with his military.

he hopes he can leverage syria to remove sanctions on russia which will fail.

eu and usa already said no to that, its why syria peace talks failed.

people who say russia will attack europe, wrong again.

europe is 50 percent of russia's oil and gas revenue

if russia attacks, they will stop buying oil and gas from russia and russia goes bankrupt faster.

putin is in checkmate and he knows it. his achillies heel, one trick pony dependent on oil and gas.

putin gambled and lost.

now they just gotta wait it out and russia goes bankrupt or putin has to capitulate.

easiest and fastest and cheapest war to win, economic war.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 09:43 AM
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That's all well fine and true, unless he and his military get some wild ass idea about trying to force a conflict as a means to get a better deal or focus their problems elsewhwere. Putin is old schoolKGB and their economic philosophy isn t the same as the wests. You are probably right but I wouldn't place bets in Vegas on it.a reply to: bluerabbit7788


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posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: bluerabbit7788

Money has definitely played a large role, but their biggest problems, by far, have been in manufacturing. They were gutted when a lot of their old time workers moved to the West, and they're trying to catch up.

The example that I normally use is the Su-34. It's currently one of the most advanced of the Su-27 family and a damn good aircraft. It's service entry was a complete disaster. The first 16 aircraft all had huge problems, and the first two were grounded. They pulled the same board out of three aircraft, and they were built three different ways.

The combination of money to pay for things and huge problems building them has definitely been a huge challenge for them.



posted on Oct, 23 2016 @ 04:07 PM
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Russia has not a chance in ww3 and will be leveled in quick time and know it.The US is bigger and can do more in war time,lets hope it is only a war of words, who in their right mind would bring on the big one.



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 03:58 AM
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a reply to: morgankesh62

putins gonna bankrupt russia in 6 months so dont have to worry about it. just sabre rattling.

putin tries anything in europe they wont buy gas from him, so he shoots himself in the foot cuz europe is 50 percent of russia's oil and gas revenue, and oil and gas is 70 percent of russia's revenue.

he pissed of the bankers and they gonna kick him out of the club, nothing he can do but burn his gold as he tries to prop up his falling currency.

putin knows its checkmate.



posted on Oct, 24 2016 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: bluerabbit7788

I am just worried that he will lash out when he figures he has been check mated. Not likely, but possible nonetheless.




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