Holy Hillary!, page 1
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Topic started on 21-1-2005 @ 01:38 PM by djohnsto77
Hillary Clinton has truly begun positioning herself for a 2008 presidential election run. Even hardcore Democrats on this site must concede this is a conspiracy to pull the wool over the eyes of the American public! Just look...

She's begun invoking God in practically every speech:

To a women's group:

Clinton also urged women to overcome negative messages and self-doubt. "It undermines their ability of who God wants them to be," she said.


Hillary the Evangelical Christian:

We welcome back to the area Senator Hillary Clinton (D., N.Y.), who has been spending so much time here in Little Rock lately that she's practically joined the church choir! "I'm here spending time at my husband's library," she told the Lamp when we caught up with her after a Sunday camp meeting, "and of course, I always take time to worship God in as evangelical a way as is feasible, given time and location constraints. As you know, I consider myself an evangelical Christian, really a Christian conservative, if you want to know the truth, so it's nice to be 'home' again in the South, which I really consider my quote-unquote home even though I live in New York most of the time. Well, Washington, D.C., most of the time, actually, but if I'm not there I'm in New York, of course, but always thinking about being here, in the South, my spiritual home, where I shared so many wonderful evangelical . . . moments and . . . events. Can you read that back to me?"


Hillary the Faith-Based Initiative Champion:

In a speech at a fund-raising dinner for a Boston-based organization that promotes faith-based solutions to social problems, Clinton said there has been a "false division" between faith-based approaches to social problems and respect for the separation of church of state.

"There is no contradiction between support for faith-based initiatives and upholding our constitutional principles," said Clinton, a New York Democrat who often is mentioned as a possible presidential candidate in 2008.

Addressing a crowd of more than 500, including many religious leaders, at Boston's Fairmont Copley Plaza, Clinton invoked God more than half a dozen times, at one point declaring, "I've always been a praying person."



Hillary has also found a new anti-immigration streak within:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is staking out a position on illegal immigration that is more conservative than President Bush, a strategy that supporters and detractors alike see as a way for the New York Democrat to shake the "liberal" label and appeal to traditionally Republican states.

She may even be fooling some protectionist Republicans with this one.



Some sites are fighting back such as Blogs Against Hillary:

Imagine waking up almost 4 years from now. It's November 5th, 2008. The day after the next Presidential Election. You turn on your radio and the next thing you hear is " PRESIDENT ELECT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON." Sounds pretty scary doesn't it?? Fear is a great motivator, and if the thought of 4 years of Hill and Bill doesn't scare you, then I don't know what else would! That's why I decided to create this site long in advance of that day. The time is now, my conservative friends. We must prepare for what is to come in the next few years. Hillary is going to run, and with that the Clintonistas will be back in force. This site will be dedicated to stopping them....


Do you think she'll be able to pull it off? Personally I don't think anyone will buy her newfound religion. But her stance on immigration may be attractive to many conservatives fearful of uncontrolled Mexican labor flowing north...anyway it seems like 2008 is off to an early start!

Thanks to BlogsAgainstHillary and NewsMax.com for story links.


reply posted on 21-1-2005 @ 07:29 PM by The Vagabond
Originally posted by LadyV
I for one, do not choose my leaders because they mention Jesus, or any god....get real! Politics is a "career" not a calling...I think people that vote this way are ridiculous, and not very educated in the political field!


Unfortunately perception is reality. The outdated perception of devine right is still alive in cultural memory, in religion, and in fiction. People still believe the good guy has to win just because he's the good guy. You might notice this while reading a book or watching a movie sometimes; that you find yourself viewing from the perspective of, and rooting for, a protagonist who according to your individual values you might actually think was wrong. So long as this exists, people will still base their votes on personality, religion, etc. I don't think it's really a matter of lack of education in the political field though. It's a cultural weakness which results in ignorance of the issues in some cases.

On top of that, people vote for like-minded people. Not all people vote Christian because they believe that the person is somehow ordained by God. Some just happen to believe that morals are absolute and as such believe that legislating morality is not a bad thing. People like this are not poorly educated on or even ignorant of the issues; they just have a viewpoint that some might disagree with. In the interest of honesty, it's important not to carry around a rubber stamp for labeling people "ignorant" or "uneducated" whenever they do something you don't agree with. Some people are just wrong.
This label is less fun to use because wrong is subjective and does not rule out consideration of the other persons viewpoint. I can understand why "uneducated" "ignorant" "stupid" "insane" etc get thrown around in politics a lot more than "wrong" "mistaken" and "flawed", but I see the labeling as a very dishonest tactic.
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