Trump, a wall and FEMA - Wait a minute, WHAT?

I guess I don't have to go deeply in the fact that Trump wants to build a wall, all of you know that, right?

But what does that mean, in reality?

Then, the more we thought about it, we came to understand that for once Mr. Trump is being accurate in his pronouncements. He is indeed building a wall.

That wall is one of bigotry, hatred and divisiveness between the American people and America and much of the rest of the world. This is no small feat. But, it is a mean feat and a demeaning one for our nation and its citizens.

The Huffington Post
Divisiveness?

adjective
1. forming or expressing division or distribution.
2. creating dissension or discord.

Well, yes that's pretty much exactly what he does with his campaign.

That got me thinking about how after the election of Obama, back in 2008, the FEMA camps conspiracies saw a huge spike in public interest.
For your convenience, an ATS search.
Which struck me as odd, especially since these were built under the Bush adminisration, but now, they start to get a whole new more chilling significance.
Where did Trump start his announcement of his run for presidency? Right at the Conservative Political Action Conference, and what's on their agenda, is pretty much exactly what Trump has made his own.

1. We are all infidels now
   
2. Never Lose a Debate With a Global WarmingAlarmist: Learn ‘Why Scientists Disagree About the Climate’
   
3. Darker Money: How Leftist Billionaires Have Built a Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy.
   
4. If Reagan Ran Today: What 2016 Activists Must Learn from Reagan’s Leadership Style
   
5. Bridging the Divide Between Veterans and Politics
   
6. Greatest National Security Challenge Facing the Next President
   
7. The Latino Vote: The Beginning or the End of the Conservative Movement
   

It's glaringly obvious his campaign is the CPAC agenda.

American Conservatism is a broad system of political beliefs in the United States that is characterized by respect for American traditions, support for economic liberalism, Judeo-Christian values, anti-communism, advocacy of American exceptionalism and a defense of Western culture from perceived threats posed by creeping socialism, moral relativism, multiculturalism, and liberal internationalism.
Liberty is a core value, with a particular emphasis on strengthening the free market, limiting the size and scope of government, and opposition to high taxes and to government or labor union encroachment on the entrepreneur. American conservatives consider individual liberty, within the bounds of conformity to American values as the fundamental trait of democracy, which contrasts with modern American liberals, who generally place a greater value on equality and social justice.

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Doesn't that scare anyone but me?
In a nutshell, he will deport all immigrants, seperate America from the rest of the world, corral the poor, uneducated, not conformists in FEMA camps and YOU will be paying for all of that plus his debts.

Which aren't exactly insignificant:

That brings Trump’s debt figure up to at least $968 million. But we’re not done yet.

according to fortune.com

And no, I am not saying vote for Hillary. I honestly don't care who you vote for or not.
This is a conspiracy, right in front of you, what I'd like to know is,
how can you not be seeing this?

originally posted by: Peeple
This is an conspiracy, right in front of you, what I'd like to know is,
how can you not be seeing this?

Willful ignorance and desperation.

Democrats worried about the budget? Or a deficit? Hahahaha that's rich!!

a reply to: Peeple

We can't even pay down our own National deficit of $19.5 trillion.

How would America (the tax payers) be paying for Trump's personal debt of $1 billion? I don't follow that part of the thread.


We are absolutely screwed whether we get Trump OR Hillary, just in different ways (of course there is some overlap )

Scary times! Swim to Cuba!

a reply to: jjkenobi

The joke is actually on you while you will have to live under Hillary or Trump, I will be save and sound in my political heroes homeland. Ever heard of Joschka Fischer?
Where the grass is green and the general government achieves a surplus of 18,5 billions in the first half of 2016.
You're screwed and yes
Hahaha I am rich!

Liberty is a core value, with a particular emphasis on
strengthening the free market,
limiting the size and scope of government, and
opposition to high taxes and to government or labor union encroachment on the entrepreneur.
American conservatives consider individual liberty, within the bounds of conformity to American values as the fundamental trait of democracy,

You find that scary? Seriously? I'd say it's about damn time we stopped all the whining and got back to it. This "social justice" Bullsh** has done nothing but tear us apart.
And...why is there a whole paragraph on Conservatives, outlining what they think is bad .....and a few words on Liberals? I mean, why not point out all the name calling, shaming and whining that goes on when someone doesn't follow the "group think" ? And, God FORBID we ignore their habit of screaming RACIST!!! when they're losing the argument. They always carry a whole deck of that card.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: jjkenobi

The joke is actually on you while you will have to live under Hillary or Trump, I will be save and sound in my political heroes homeland. Ever heard of Joschka Fischer?
Where the grass is green and the general government achieves a surplus of 18,5 billions in the first half of 2016.
You're screwed and yes
Hahaha I am rich!

You think $18 billion is a lot of money? Lol
Germany is over $2 trillion in debt.
You're kids are just as screwed as mine.

a reply to: DAVID64

Because it's a conspiracy about Trump.

a reply to: Peeple

Sorry I'm sure I'm missing something here, can you elaborate more on the FEMA aspect of your conspiracy?

Can you explain how you reached this conclusion?

In a nutshell, he will deport all immigrants, seperate America from the rest of the world, corral the poor, uneducated, not conformists in FEMA camps and YOU will be paying for all of that plus his debts.

Where did Trump start his announcement of his run for presidency? Right at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

I thought he made the announcement at Trump Tower in NYC? And CPAC 2015 was apparently in Maryland?

en.wikipedia.org...
www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: Peeple

If the title was
'$Hillary and Fema' and the conspiracy was about her evil ways and some ill informed plan to put minorities in fema camps, you would likely be showered with stars and agreement.

Trump is sacred territory on ATS , its like walking on eggshells if you even consider criticizing the man.

a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

Good question, thank you for asking.
We all here are conspiracy theorists, right? So I assume we agree the president is a puppet for the "shadow government". Inside that there are naturally also opposing forces, conservatives and socialists.
These camps were build while Bush and with him the conservatives were in power.
Under Obama the rumours were spread these are meant to contain right-wingers and patriots.
I am feeling it's not that far fetched, that those rumours were spread by those who actually built them.
And it wouldn't be the first time there are trials and prosecution of socialists, or communists in the US, who did that? Think about the red scare, McCarthy and such...

Socialists are social, meaning they try to support and protect the rights of the poor.

a reply to: odzeandennz

If I would write here to gain s&f, I'd beg someone to shoot me.

a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

www.liveleak.com...


Halliburton subsidiary awarded $385 million contract to provide �temporary detention and processing


PS: This was under the Bush admin.

originally posted by: Peeple
We all here are conspiracy theorists, right? So I assume we agree the president is a puppet for the "shadow government".

So why is this a Trump thread? Shouldn't this just be an unbiased thread naming no candidates or all candidates if whoever becomes president is just a puppet to the true agenda?

I edited my post above, I dunno if you saw it so I'll re-type it here:

Where did Trump start his announcement of his run for presidency? Right at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

I thought he made the announcement at Trump Tower in NYC? And CPAC 2015 was apparently in Maryland?

en.wikipedia.org...
www.huffingtonpost.com...

I'm not sure why this is a Trump thread and not just a generic NWO/FEMA thread. What is the unique Trump connection?

a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

Because he spoke at CPAC 2015, c-span.
Conservatives are Republicans, they built the camps, Trump is running for the Republicans.

you might be right.

but with all the news media going so hard against trump
the rnc tried with all its might to bring him down

maybe, just maybe, if people who look at the guy and cry racist bigot!!!! fraud, sheister, fascist!! maybe if you actually listen to what the guy is saying, instead of being told what he said... you would hear the message.

its not about. its about america first!

why should we donate tons of money to other countries? why should we pay and place our military in other countries when they dont give a damn about us?

why should we open our arms to illegal immisgrants, and refugees... when like 60% of young black have no jobs now...

why should these people be given citizenship? because they were able to hop a fence? i have family in poland that have been waiting in line for 20 years to come here... but we should just let in whomever?

this man could be sitting on a private island getting serviced by melania, instead, hes doing rallies everyday, trying to improve this country, and expose the rigged system.
he doesnt have to do this.... he wants to make america great again... just remember that.

hes not gaining anything, and asking for nothing but a vote.

give him a chance, im telling you americans will feel like they live in america again.

a reply to: Peeple

So you believe in a shadow government that controls the presidents. You also believe that only Republicans will bring about the FEMA doom? Even though republicans, democrats, whatever, would all be controlled by the same shadow government. Only republicans will lead to that outcome? The shadow government wouldn't follow up on their plan if, for instance, Hillary won?

edit: I don't mean this in a confrontational way, it's just I figured the whole two-party illusion of freedom thing was one of the core beliefs of people who subscribe to that outlook. Two sides of the same coin and all that.

Sorry man, I've been up all night, I maybe would have approached this better if it had been in skunk works.

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

www.liveleak.com...


Halliburton subsidiary awarded $385 million contract to provide �temporary detention and processing


PS: This was under the Bush admin.

en.wikipedia.org...

In 1995, Cheney replaced Thomas H. Cruikshank, as chairman and CEO.

From 1995 to 2002... if any BRS employee spoke of Dick Cheney's being CEO...

Their will never be a wall. It is just a political tool. Notice how it how it has no plans or details. Mexico will not pay for it and Congress will not allow funds for it either. Trumps knows this which is why he just makes stuff up about the wall whenever he feels like it. The wall (as Trumps people have said) is a simple concept. It makes people feel better. It is like mall security, an illusion of safety. Trump assumes Americans are to stupid to handle understanding complex issues like immigration so he treats them like idiots and says we will build a super big, the best wall ever.

Their is not great plot or conspiracy just a candidate treating voters like idiots with no intention of actually following through.

a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

I don't know what you have in mind when you hear shadow government, but I talk about not elected people still in a position of power and/or influence and that's more than one person and from more than one party.


a reply to: MrSpad

I actually like that. Best case scenario.

a reply to: MrSpad
I imagine you are right. But please tell me of "ANY" politician that is not pandering to the ignorant hoards. They are all doing it.