Condi stands up in hearing and lets a senator have it

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by centurion1211
See, you just can't stop yourselves from making the personal attacks when you have no substance to your argument, can you. I rest my case.

What kind of substance are you looking for? Court admissable evidence? Help me out here. What exactly do you need as proof? Also, I'm not a liberal or a democrat, so by you and yourselves do you mean all other Americans who are not conservative?

you need hard proof then look at it this way, Condi stood up and said the policy under her goals is to keep disputes and disagreements and in effect lies and truths between her and the President , to me that says she condones and is also lying , and the bad thing this administration is telling all of us out right they lied and noone is saying anything about it , 2 days ago I started hearing the final reports that the search is over there where and are no wmds and that the goverment and Bush and Blair in particular lied to get authorization to go to war, how more obvious of proof do you need when the goverments own investigation say they lied and they tell it to our faces.

Condi did great ! she stoop up againts "boxer" and the sore looser Kerry who still cant believ he has to go back to the Senate instead of seating his long face at The White House !!!!

after this i have to keep saying ....

I LOVE RICE !

Originally posted by centurion1211
Hey MA,

Your "exit poll results proves voter fraud" theory has now been debunked (read today's news on CNN and MSNBC). And Senator Biden (Dem - DE) has told Europe "to get over the election" and move on. What's next for you?

I dont know what everyone else said on the poll guestions but I said this , this a bunch of farses and falsehoods and not befitting of my wishes for my ideal goverment and that I didnt want Bush and his cronies in yet the vote did not reflect this common view even today Bush has less of an approval rating then Hitler did when he ran for office bu they are both lying , cheating, power hungry and homicidal in their policies. where do you see the vote is not tainted when people are calling for this mans head for being this way, and where is there not vote tampering when Bush is less Popular than Hitler was when he was doing the same things when he was in power.

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Condi did great ! she stoop up againts "boxer" and the sore looser Kerry who still cant believ he has to go back to the Senate instead of seating his long face at The White House !!!!

after this i have to keep saying ....

I LOVE RICE !

Kerry being stood up to is not great achievement tommorow that man will flip flop and be kissing her butt just like he changes his mind on everything else, Kerry is not a good reference point in any situation.

Originally posted by drbryankkruta
how more obvious of proof do you need when the goverments own investigation say they lied and they tell it to our faces.

That's what I'm saying, but it seems a few here are demanding some sort of link or copy of a whitehouse memo or something directing them to lie, otherwise, it's not actually a lie. That is ridiculous. We don't need proof when we watched the entire thing unfold before our eyes, there are countless tapes and interviews made on public television in which they say one thing, and then, a few months later, they say they never said it. Are they trying the jedi mind trick? It seems to have worked on some.

Boxer was only telling Condi what she and the rest of the Bush machine were telling us at the time. The Bush machine sold the American people a fake bill of goods and Boxer called her on it. Condi is part of that machine and was following orders from higher ups at the White House. I voted for Bush and was mislead just like everyone else but at the time, I thought I chose the lesser of the two evils. Maybe I was wrong?

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by drbryankkruta
how more obvious of proof do you need when the goverments own investigation say they lied and they tell it to our faces.

That's what I'm saying, but it seems a few here are demanding some sort of link or copy of a whitehouse memo or something directing them to lie, otherwise, it's not actually a lie. That is ridiculous. We don't need proof when we watched the entire thing unfold before our eyes, there are countless tapes and interviews made on public television in which they say one thing, and then, a few months later, they say they never said it. Are they trying the jedi mind trick? It seems to have worked on some.

Actually they are sticking the obvious out there so that you see it they just want to see how loyal you are and it was proven when this farse of administration was reinstalled into power despite overwhelming out and out lies and admissions to lies and cover ups they have won they have control and we have been to complacent or brain washed by the events to stop it from happening.

Originally posted by drbryankkruta

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Condi did great ! she stoop up againts "boxer" and the sore looser Kerry who still cant believ he has to go back to the Senate instead of seating his long face at The White House !!!!

after this i have to keep saying ....

I LOVE RICE !

Kerry being stood up to is not great achievement tommorow that man will flip flop and be kissing her butt just like he changes his mind on everything else, Kerry is not a good reference point in any situation.

Soon we will hear Kerry proclaim that he actually voted FOR Ms. Rice before he voted AGAINST her.

Originally posted by jsobecky
Soon we will hear Kerry proclaim that he actually voted FOR Ms. Rice before he voted AGAINST her.

That's not only a dead horse, it's a horse skeleton. Please refrain from beating it!

Originally posted by 27jd
That's what I'm saying, but it seems a few here are demanding some sort of link or copy of a whitehouse memo or something directing them to lie, otherwise, it's not actually a lie. That is ridiculous. We don't need proof when we watched the entire thing unfold before our eyes, there are countless tapes and interviews made on public television in which they say one thing, and then, a few months later, they say they never said it. Are they trying the jedi mind trick? It seems to have worked on some.

For the sake of amusement, how about provide a link to those "countless tapes and interviews" that makes Ms. Rice out to be fornicating improper information better known as "lying"? For every one piece you provide, I'll provide two to counter just to see who is really "lying".

I'll start first, again, just for the sake of amusement.
Boxer busted on Iraq Lie

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement."

Barbara Boxer Quote from November 2002.





seekerof

[edit on 19-1-2005 by Seekerof]

Well, here's the deal....

At this time in our nation's history, we will need to be dealing from a position of strength, and respect when negotiating with MANY nations in the middle east.

Now, as enlightened as we all are here...this is NOT the case when it comes to women or minorities in the middle east. Unfortunately, many of them do NOT feel the same as we do here...and have very different and dated ideas about this.

In spite of this, that is exactly who Bush in his infinite wisdom (yes, I'm trying not to laugh too) chose as the very person who'd be doing such negotiations. While we shouldn't adopt such prejudices, at this very important time, do we really need to be pouring salt in the wound?

To add insult to injury, it's an administration member actively involved in the now proven falsely-based and unjustified war on Iraq.

This is pretty much like trying to negotiate with Farakhan by sending a KKK Grand Wizard as your rep....at least in THEIR eyes....

Not that I'm for catering to them, but I'd prefer we not give them a swirly after being the bull in their china shop....

Not that it matters much....it's pretty much a done deal...

[edit on 19-1-2005 by Gazrok]

Gazrok

Well even when what you said is true, In order for some here to understand it, we have to leave it until the time when Ms. Rice starts her diplomatics talk in behave of our nation with the countries of the middle east.

Then we will see what will happened, like you said some countries does not respect women like here in the US and other modern more democratic nations.

But perhaps to be gracious to the demands of the US these countries will make and exception.

[edit on 19-1-2005 by marg6043]

Originally posted by Seekerof
For the sake of amusement, how about provide a link to those "countless tapes and interviews" that makes Ms. Rice out to be fornicating improper information better known as "lying"? For every one piece you provide, I'll provide two to counter just to see who is really "lying".

Well, I appreciate that you have taken the time out of your day to "amuse" yourself at the expense of our great nation. And as for your Boxer quotes, she is not being confirmed as Secretary of State, is she? Perhaps she, like the rest of us, gave this administration the benefit of the doubt, based on the falsified intelligence provided she waited for vindication of, at the time, the belief of most of the nation. Now she, like the rest of us, may be angry that she was lied to. Is she on any security commitees? I don't know. Was there any reason for her NOT to believe the administration at the time? Was she presented ALL the facts, or was any information from those who opposed the claims that Saddam had WMD's presented to her? I don't know. Do you? But again, she is not going to be in the third highest position in our government, so it doesn't really matter. Now for your "amusement", let's begin.

Just weeks ago, Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's national security adviser, made a trip to the Middle East that was widely seen as advancing the peace process. There was speculation that she would be a likely choice for secretary of state, and hopes among Republicans that she could become governor of California and even, someday, president.

But she has since become enmeshed in the controversy over the administration's use of intelligence about Iraq's weapons in the run-up to war. She has been made to appear out of the loop by colleagues' claims that she did not read or recall vital pieces of intelligence. And she has made statements about U.S. intelligence on Iraq that have been contradicted by facts that later emerged.
The remarks by Rice and her associates raise two uncomfortable possibilities for the national security adviser. Either she missed or overlooked numerous warnings from intelligence agencies seeking to put caveats on claims about Iraq's nuclear weapons program, or she made public claims that she knew to be false.

Most prominent is her claim that the White House had not heard about CIA doubts about an allegation that Iraq sought uranium in Africa before the charge landed in Bush's State of the Union address on Jan. 28; in fact, her National Security Council staff received two memos doubting the claim and a phone call from CIA Director George J. Tenet months before the speech. Various other of Rice's public characterizations of intelligence documents and agencies' positions have been similarly cast into doubt.

"If Condi didn't know the exact state of intel on Saddam's nuclear programs . . . she wasn't doing her job," said Brookings Institution foreign policy specialist Michael E. O'Hanlon. "This was foreign policy priority number one for the administration last summer, so the claim that someone else should have done her homework for her is unconvincing."

www.washingtonpost.com...

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.
- Condoleeza Rice, Reuters interview, May 12, 2003

Pilger uncovered video footage of Powell in Cairo on February 24, 2001 saying, "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

Two months later, Rice reportedly said, "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

Powell boasted this was because America's policy of containment and its sanctions had effectively disarmed Saddam.

www.news.com.au...


[edit on 19-1-2005 by 27jd]

I would like to know how proving that Condi DID NOT lie is proving a negative. This is Centurion's respons to one of my earlier replies. Well, it seems this is what the conservatives on this board result to when they CANT prove anythiung and it makes them look bad. Condi lied. Bush lied. Cheney lied. Rumsfield lied. Powell lied. EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS LIED TO US! It is a fact. now if you want to go sulk in a corner and whine about it because it makes your party look foolish, please, go to the corner. But quit trying to turn it around on the accusers. It only makes the accused look MORE guilty.

The lies spewed forth have been documented and released. There is nothing you can do but accept it. Oh, and GET OVER IT! Looks like your god/Bush/Condi isnt so high and mighty while telling lies.

well in respect to Ms Rice being a Woman, we had a Female Prime minister and let me tell you no one messed with her. The one thing these Nations that, shall we say, don't hold the fairer sex as equal understand is Power. Ms Rice in her negotiations with these countries will have the authority of the US Government behind her and that is one thing they understand. They may not like it but they will put up with it because she will be the face of US foreign policy.
I always thought she would make a better Secretary of Defence, never had her pegged for Secretary of State.

How in the Sam Hell do you guys think that Condiliar Rice has at any point in her career been forthcomming or honest. You guys are hillarious. Allow me to enlighten your delluded minds with some facts in regards to that lying turd. 34,500 hits on google, why don't you right wing nut jobs educate yourselves a little, frankly it's embarassing... They lie, bold face lie to the american people, and you guys are singing their praises. www.google.com...
Here, I'll pick one out for you since I know you won't click the link and actually study the facts.... This only scratches the surface.

irregulartimes.com...
"I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile."

George W. Bush himself was given a one-and-a-half page briefing on August 6, 2001. That briefing informed him that Osama Bin Laden's organization was capable of using a hijacked American airplane to conduct a major strike against targets within the United States. Furthermore, a month earlier, the Bush Administration was informed that terrorists had concocted plans to use airplanes as missiles. The truth is that experts did predict that terrorists would use hijacked airplanes as missiles, and those experts told George W. Bush about the threat.
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When the Bush Administration was confronted with evidence that Condoleeza Rice had lied, and that George W. Bush had received a briefing warning of terrorist plans to use hijacked airplanes as missiles against American targets, Condoleeza Rice said that Bush got the briefing because he had been so concerned about the elevated terrorist threat levels during the summer of 2001. (This lie was told by Condoleeza Rice to the American people on March 25, 2004.)

The Central Intelligence Agency has revealed that the terrorist briefing was in no way solicited by George W. Bush. Instead, the Central Intelligence Agency created the brief without any expression of interest from Bush because they thought that the matter was so critical that the President needed to be aware of the terrorist plans without further delay. The truth is that, in spite of the elevated terrorist threat levels just before September 11, George W. Bush did not bother to ask the CIA to be briefed about the methods Osama Bin Laden could use to kill Americans. Bush was on vacation on his dude ranch that month.
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Embarrassed by reports of Bush's lack of preparation for attacks by Osama Bin Laden, Condoleeza Rice said, "In June and July when the threat spikes were so high we were at battle stations." (This lie was told to the American people by Condoleeza Rice on March 22, 2004)

Bush's anti-terrorism chief Richard Clarke has revealed that George W. Bush never ordered anyone to go to battle stations, even though the reported threat in the weeks before September 11, 2001 was much higher than anything ever reported during the Clinton Administration. Furthermore, George W. Bush ordered that a program to monitor Al Quaida suspects within the United States be discontinued.
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"Our [pre-9/11 NSPD] plan called for military options to attack al Qaeda and Taliban leadership, ground forces and other targets, taking the fight to the enemy where he lived." (Condoleeza Rice told the American people this lie on March 22, 2004)

The commission studying the context of the September 11 attacks found that the NSPD plan referred to by Condoleeza Rice in fact had no military component. Commission member Gorelick has stated, "There is nothing in the NSPD that came out that we could find that had an invasion plan, a military plan." George W. Bush's own Deputy Secretary of State, Richard Armitage, admitted to the commission that Condoleeza Rice's claim was completely inaccurate. When Armitage was asked, "Is it true, as Dr. Rice said, 'Our plan called for military options to attack Al Qaida and Taliban leadership'?", Armitage replied "No." The truth is that Condoleeza Rice knew that what she was saying was false.
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Hey how's that Sadaam Trial working out by the way?

Originally posted by drbryankkruta

.... that man will flip flop and be kissing her butt just like he changes his mind on everything else, Kerry is not a good reference point in any situation.

i have to agree there !! lol

That's not only a dead horse, it's a horse skeleton.

Please refrain from beating it!

its not a horse at all...it the mans nature... the Dems should have picked their candidate better... tuff luck...the guy is a waste of a brain ..PERIOD...the horse can turn to dust ...he still is A WASTE OF A BRAIN !

"...i voted for it before i voted against ..." ?????? GET REAL !

I would have voted for Dean beofre i would EVER vote for Kerry...lol

Originally posted by Kidfinger
I would like to know how proving that Condi DID NOT lie is proving a negative. This is Centurion's respons to one of my earlier replies. Well, it seems this is what the conservatives on this board result to when they CANT prove anythiung and it makes them look bad. Condi lied. Bush lied. Cheney lied. Rumsfield lied. Powell lied. EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS LIED TO US! It is a fact. now if you want to go sulk in a corner and whine about it because it makes your party look foolish, please, go to the corner. But quit trying to turn it around on the accusers. It only makes the accused look MORE guilty.

Hey Kidfinger, I accuse you of filling up your gas tank and driving off without paying for the gas last summer. That was right after you had chewed and screwed at a local restaurant.

Prove that you didn't do it.

Of course you didn't do those things; I'm just making a point. Should it be up to me to prove you did it, or should it be up to you to prove you didn't?

Not trying to make waves here just trying to illustrate how it is next to impossible to prove a negative.

Originally posted by Seekerof

as posted by Kidfinger
Did you learn a new word in class? There is nothing'moot' about my point. She lied and senator Boxer pointed it out. I guess Condi should be unaccountable for her actions. OH, THATS RIGHT! Bush already said no one in his administration is going to be held accountable for ANYTHING having to do with the Iraq war......

Your hilarious.
You get proven wrong. Your remarks get disproven. Now you resort to attacking my intelligence?

Prove she "lied", and prove that lie within the context of what that alledged "lie" was given in, k?

Simply stating she "lied" is placing you in the same category as Senator Boxer, which doesn't surprise me, at all.

"We don't want the proof to be a smoking gun."

Say, how's the search for them WMDs goin'? Found 'em yet? I mean you told the whole world about them, even blew Colin Powell's credibility by having him go to the UN and repeat every baseless claim, funny, I don't rememver seeing the President crowing to the world's media in triumph as he announced "Well, we got 'em!"