i'm still waiting for someone to say something absurd like....um....this "unknown" but known planet, isn't a planet. It's "the greys" or "reptilians" space craft that they fly around using it as a parking ramp for their space crafts (the size of the earth :lol awaiting to attack us.

I'm not buying that there actually a 10th planet; but I know nothing so tomorrow they will probably find some information on it.

You're not counting the long count.

A Mayan age is about 5122 years or 13 cycles of 394 years.

We are currently in the 4th age of man according to the Maya.

The longest calendar count of the Maya is 26,000 years. And surprisingly thats the length of time for the earth to do one precessional rotation on its axis. Basically the rotation of the wobble. So we need to go through one more age of man before the precessional is completed that they were tracking.

The two names for the last day on the calendar are Sun and Storm. Astronomers say stars like ours give off a big burp of solar material and energy in timely intervals as if they have an internal clock. Basically they radiate a violent super flare from their surface. The sun's flare could last for most of the day on the sunlit side of earth and cook and irradiate anything caught in it. As you could imagine a whole bunch of people could get cooked, thus ending an age of man.

The Egyptian, Cherokee, and Hebrew calendars track roughly the same period of time of over 5000 years. I think even the chinese track into the 5000 year range. The 12 year chinese zodiac could be said to track the solar attitudes of the sun. Because interestingly enough, the year 2012 is coincidentally the Year of the Dragon.

Well, I have to say that is the most substantial post regarding the 2012 calendar end date that I have seen yet. I don't lften hear something I haven't read before. In the book, "Cataclysm" by Delair and Allen, the plentiful, clear and carefully collected samples support a scenario in 9 500 BC, +/- 150 years, approx. 11 500 years ago that looks very dire. Mass charcoal at that level, worldwide, mass extincions, biomatter, litke trees and animals all shattered and jammed into the ground, or caves. The flash frozen, stilll standing Wooly Mammoths found in Siberia with temperate climate buttercup flowers in their digestive tracts, their flesh still edible they froze so fast?

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I have been hearing about this "Nibiru" planet for a long time now. Is there really any evidence to suggest that a planet is heading our way?

I'm not sure if planet 'Nibiru' is the same as the highly anticipated 'Planet X', however Planet Xs projection to come within the view of earth was supposed to come to past some time last year. Nothing happened.

So can planets orbit a star on different angles - like at 90 degree angles to each other - one 'vertical', the other 'horizontal'?

So what if this 'Planet X' is not matter in the way we know it. What if he´s a dark matter planet?! We actually know that dark matter exists we just can´t see it...its gravity and electromagnetic emissions still affect the visible matter, at least in theory. So this dark matter could have formed up to a planet (maybe there lots of them?) like normal matter did billion years ago.
Maybe there is such a planet on an extreme wide orbit passing us close only every few thousand years or so..

Its an idea that just poped into my mind

yeah I like that idea. Does everything stay on the same plane or are there multi planes that planets can orbit on.....say perpendicularly? a little of the subject, but just curious if anyone knows! thanks.

Venus's orbit shifts in a rotating pattern as it orbits around the sun, that is why in some Transits they can not be seen from earth because Venus is out of direct alignment with the Earth. Only some of the Transits are viewable from Earth meaning at other times Venus is either too high or too low to pass directly across the face of the Sun as viewed from Earth.

Earth on the other hand alters it orbit only slightly leading us to have summers and winters as our orbit tilts only a few degrees, becoming either closer or further away by only a slight deflection of our orbit. If Earths orbit did not change then whatever the temperatue was it would remain and probably a lot of plant life would not have survived. This is probably another reason why life on some of the other planets could never have developed as the planets orbits vary in degree too much, producing wild shifts in planetary heating and cooling. More then likely contributing to why some planets remain just Gas balls.

robertfenix

Even by your estimates, the magic year is still 2012.

The problem isn't with the Mayan calendar system, its trying to get it to fit onto the gregorian system. Don't forget all the leap year days that the gregorian sytem has a hard time accounting for, plus the romans screwed everything up by adding 2 months. The gregorian system is a mess and its creators would have been laughed at, beaten, stoned, and served up as a holiday feast for even suggesting such a stupid system back in ancient times.

Plus the precessional cycle is only a rough estimate of 26,000 years when astronomers talk about it. The crazy thing is what constellations were up when some of these people were around. For instance if the Sphinx "was" built in the year 10,000 BC, then it would be looking at the constellation Leo the lion because of the earth's wobble. Today its looking at something else. But that's a whole other debate entirely.

The mayans work with a vegismal number system of base 20 which is similar to our decimal system of 10. The Sumerians used the sexigesmal system of I believe base 60. Which is still the defacto system we use today for telling time on our digital watches.

These ancient peoples were professional stargazers and while tracking time was useful for growing crops and knowing the seasons, it makes you wonder what they were really looking for, something profoundly more important. You have to give them credit, and what was the true worldwide devotion to tracking time? What did they know and possibly fear?

I don't buy the planet X theory because of all the really "gay" problems it has; its probably bunk disinfo anyway. I will go with either a giant solar burp or calendar tracking of comet swarms.

So what exactly is the definition of a planet? That’s another good question, the one that leads to the debate as to whether or not Pluto and Sedna qualify. While the debate rages, Sedna is slowly getting nearer and brighter. It will take 72 years to reach its closest point to the Sun. Then it will proceed on its centuries-long journey. The last time Sedna came this close, Earth was emerging from the Ice Age. Who knows what Earth will be like next time around?


hmmmmmmmmmmm

does anyone know where i can find i detailed map of the universe? not just a basic map but one with all moons and the names?

Originally posted by VelvetSplash
So can planets orbit a star on different angles - like at 90 degree angles to each other - one 'vertical', the other 'horizontal'?

Absolutely. I know of no specific objects that orbit at the extreme of 90 degrees to the ecliptic, but the plane of Pluto's orbit is offset by several degrees. If I recall correctly from my readings on the subject, the so called planet X is supposed to approach from an angle 30 degrees south of the ecliptic in a retrograde orbit. Should this be true, it would only be observable, at least at first, from the southern hemisphere and given the eccentricity of that orbit, it could indeed approach from a "blind spot" in the southern pole. Furthermore, given the extremely elliptical orbit, the objects velocity would increase greatly as it approached the sun so it may have the potential to sneak up on us very quickly. Of course this is pure conjecture, but I don't think it is outside the realm of possibility.

[edit on 4-2-2007 by Orwells Ghost]

The calendar doesnt have to end in disastor. Maybe the mayans understood how gravitational/electromagnetic/unseen forces effected us. They figured out the pattern and mapped it out in their calendar. After the shift in gravitational/electromagnetic/unseen forces, they will no longer be able to be 'mapped out' because the forces will have shifted and therefore the cycles will be different.

That is why it ends, not because they predicted armegeddon. This is why people have a hard time believing this stuff... they see it as another doomsday prediction like the dozens in the past instead of seeing a really advanced civilization that understood the forces of our universe better than we do today.

Shifting poles or shifting gravitational forces will have a profound effect on us and other prediction have stemmed from this - doomsday, psychic abilities, ufo visitation, dimensional boundaries lifted... or all of the above