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originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: SprocketUK
He is saying that while in those countries, foreigners have to abide by that country's laws.
For some reason though, people from those countries (Middle eastern) want to come in to western countries and force people in those countries to conform to the laws from the countries (Middle eastern) they are from rather than them (they would be the foreigners in this instance) abiding by the laws in the country they are in.
Perfect example of the double standard.
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: SprocketUK
IF they were abiding by the law...apparently it wasnt perceived that way by those doing the beating
Yeah, but Istanbul is in Turkey, the law allows the sale and consumption of alcohol all year round. They were abiding by the law. That was my point.
For the sake of my job and neighborhood...I wont go into details except its as suggested. For them here? Nothing changes except the benefits they receive from us.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
Confession, I have not read the article linked in the OP, I am only responding to the replies here to date.
May I ask the thread author what the laws are regarding the drinking of alcohol in Turkey during Ramadan? If, for example, it is illegal and the punishment is stoning or beating, then where is the surprise? As a visitor to another country, you must know, understand, and follow their sets of laws, or expect their brand of justice, should you not? Just as visitors the the United States are expected to follow our laws.
However, if this is not illegal, then the people that started the assault should be tried and punished according the the laws in that country.
So, faux outrage here is irrelevant if that act is illegal and the punishment is expected by everyone that understands the law.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
So much not clear in the video.
Do we know for sure the problem was alcohol? Can anyone accurately translate what was being said?
If the problem was alcohol, does the shop owner have the right to ban it from his premises?
Why was the person taking video of a very boring scene of people just sitting there? Seems a bit suspiciously "staged" to me.
What happened previous to the video? Were the people doing something they had already been told not to, but were doing anyway?