For those who has seen the 911 documentaries

The Hamburg Cell is also a movie worth watching. Puts a lot of things in perspective.

click link below
www.cbc.ca...

9/11 commision report in online form

To tell the truth, I'm not buying that the gov't is behind the attacks. However, there is definitely something amiss here. There is more to this than meets the eye. I suspect that the attacks were more a personal war between the Bush family clan and Bin Laden. I do know they didn't attack us because "they hate our freedom", or "we watch too much porno." That has to be the lamest thing I've ever heard anyone say.
IMO, we are on the verge of some horrible changes. If we're to evade destruction of the USA, people had better start asking questions and demanding answers. If this doesn't happen, you'll all witness the downfall of America. You're witnessing it now, in fact.

Well said.

I want to touch upon the issue of not buying the accussation that government is behind the attacks.

I think in this respect it is vital to understand that while most people hear this as being a collective mass, government is not so in reality.
To state that the German government in fact did overthrow civil liberties and created a dictatorship is true, but even then more than 90% of that very same government was no closer than the public to realize what was going on.
There's a saying that "a thief thinks everyone steals", well the same goes the other way around. "a truthful man thinks nobody lies".

When someone states the US government was behind the attacks, it could never be more than a small fraction within that government, and this has been wittnessed many times throughout history and is very possible.

When people reject this notion it's because they imagine that the postulate is that government as a collective mass is acting in conjunction to conspire, which has never happened in history!!! No wonder they reject the idea.

To reject the "idea" that a small fraction within the government's different brances (and ofcause media) could be plotting to overthrow democracy would be equal to saying that no evil men exist. Ofcause this is not the same as this is what is in fact happening, but to reject it as a possibility might be to have a less than realistic view of our world, as this has happened so many times in our history.

Take into consideration also that the mass media has been bought up over the last 20 years, from being owned by about 50 corporations to presently alarming reality of being owned by only 5 corporations.

I ask myself how many warning bells need to go off before we realize we already have overslept and are late for freedom.....

It doesn't have to be a proven fact, it's enough that the possibility exists, media, military, CIA Laden, Bush family....for us to be concerned. We should never allow the possibility to exist.


Sincerely

Cade

Originally posted by elevatedone
I don't believe any of it...


Our government was not behind the attacks on September 11th.

What a articulate and detailed argument.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Cade, don't worry, for you are not alone. I have seen all of those and more. Unfortunately, my friend, many people cannot come to grips with even the possibility that 9/11 was anything other than what the government says it was. I mean think about it. What a ludicrous idea. The government lie to us, it's own citizens. "HA! No way, go away you conspiracy theorist you." At least that's what I thought too, until I saw a device attached to the underside of flight 175 on all the videos and photos. Not exactly what a stock 767 carries, eh?

Cade, if you have not yet been, I invite you over to take a look at www.letsroll911.org...

It's a big and diverse site about the inconsistencies between the official story and what the evidence says happened. Try the forums for some interesting, ongoing discussions.

That is just how we neo-cons feel about what happened at WACO and Oklahoma City. Clinton did it.

Just stick your head in the sand and it waill all go away.

Go back and watch your reality television.

see/buy more 911 video's at www.prisonplanet.com

DrHoracid, I am just curious here. You are a smart individual, as I have read many of your posts. What happens in your brain when you see that device attached to the underside of 175? No questions? No theories? I mean how in the hell is that there? It is NOT on a stock 767, and I think we can both agree on that, yes? While I don't know to what extent if any our government was involved for sure, there sure are a lot of issues which point in that direction. And one of the biggest is the tremendous government coverup of information regarding 9/11, and the removal of evidence. I would like for you to explain all this to me, from your view, please. I want to know exactly why:

1) The government will not release the security cam footage from the gas station at the pentagon, which was confiscated within 30 minutes of the attack?

2) The government will not release the black boxes for analysis, which were discovered by eyewitness accounts from firefighters on the scene. (It is extremely rare that FDC's and/or CVR's are not recovered from airline crash sites, and those only happen over the deep ocean, where recovery is near impossible.) Also why there was a need to issue a gag order to the guy who took the FBI/CIA to recover them?

3) Larry Silverstein's statement of WTC 7 being pulled does not jive with the official story.

4) Within 48 hours of the attacks, the government was able to come with a list of 19 hijackers. 48 hours! No investigation! And some of them are reported to still be alive.

5) A boing 757 managed to crash at the pentagon and leave no wreckage to speak of, aside from a couple of very small pieces. This is unheard of in airline disasters, for there is always a sizable amount of wreckage left.

6) The crash at Shanksville, where the first eyewitness to the scene only saw a burned hole, with no plane!

These are just a few questions to ask, and there are many, many more. I am curious as to your views on these, from a neocon perspective. I mean enlighten me, please.

He will have no answers.

I'll try to direct my questions in this thread to those who has seen the documentaries. Let's have a talk about what we are going to do, instead of trying to show those who are not quite ready to see yet.

I would like to thank those of you who has taken the time to watch these movies and for sharing in this thread. Perhaps it takes a certain amount of maturity to face hard and cold facts sometimes, and if that's what we have done, then let's take a break from trying to make the others face it as well. They will come around, after we reach the 100'th monkey...

Let's forget those who has not seen these films and let them live in ignorance as they choose.

Let's talk now, those of us who cannot deny that something is not as it should be and let me start:


I for one believe that if we had free media this whole thing would have been exposed a long time ago.
What do you think about that? And what can be done to get our free media back?

(Please read my post on the 100'th monkey syndrome before you feel it's hopeless)



Sincerely

Cade

Can this forum ever be anyting else than a recruiting camp, where one wing tries to convince the other wing?

How about letting people make up their own minds, just stating why we believe what ever we believe without attacking each other?

How about a constructive talk between those of us who thinks this was an inside job, about what to do about it?

Are we only ready to sit in these forums argueing back and forth, never accomplishing anything?

Is there anybody out there who can say, ok so we know this was an inside job, now what? Anybody at all?

(to those who have questioned why a site like this has not been shot down if the conspiracies proposed here were true, here's your answer, they know we're here to talk the talk, not to walk the walk)



Sincerely

Cade

i would love for something to be done about 9/11...i know it was an inside job, but people who have tried to expose the truth in the past have become statistics who shot themselves in the back of the head with a shotgun....(if you catch my drfit), so it would be incrediably hard...also i still think that the number of people who know this is still relativley very small....and until more people are told the truth, nothing will/can be done

The only one I've seen is Road to Tyranny. Even after dismissing the hype, there is plenty to lead an open mind that there is definately a problem. There are alot of reasons that someone would refuse to believe any of it also.

They don't want to feel less secure. I can say that I felt very small and helpless coming to grips with some of what I now believe or strongly suspect(downright depressed for a moment here or there). I could have easily called it all hogwash(and some of it is and this is often used to discredit in entirety) and gone and flipped channels to try and forget about it.

Some people may avoid giving this subject an honest open minded look because they don't want to feel like a fool for seeing it along.

Is ignorance really bliss? Some people don't want to hear it. Shakes up their world.


What to do? I really don't know...really. I do talk to my peers about this stuff and sometimes I'm surprised that they share my thoughts and question the same things that I do. I never try to force someone to listen, that's just a one sided conversation and it doesn't work. It drives me nuts to hear someone say "Yeah, but what are you going to do? you can't do anything".

You're right about the media. It's a far cry from it's potential. To sift through all the info, disinfo, hogwash, and rhetoric is an increasingly more difficult thing to do. My head hurts.

Originally posted by Ungoliath
i would love for something to be done about 9/11...i know it was an inside job, but people who have tried to expose the truth in the past have become statistics who shot themselves in the back of the head with a shotgun....(if you catch my drfit), so it would be incrediably hard...also i still think that the number of people who know this is still relativley very small....and until more people are told the truth, nothing will/can be done

They can kill individuals, but they cannot kill everyone in the population. The more we are the better.

So there can be consequences if we fight back, what happens if we compare these possible consequences with the certain consequences of not fighting back?

When estimating the dangers of PERHAPS "commiting suicide" to the certain consequences of America loosing liberty. How much safer will we feel in a society where people start to dissapear in the middle of the night?

Would we wish, with tears in our eyes and screams in our throath, that we had done something sooner when it was a lot safer?

I think you raise a valid question, safety, but let's take things into perspective when doing so...


Sincerely

Cade

Originally posted by B. Goode
The only one I've seen is Road to Tyranny. Even after dismissing the hype, there is plenty to lead an open mind that there is definately a problem.

You're right about the media. It's a far cry from it's potential. To sift through all the info, disinfo, hogwash, and rhetoric is an increasingly more difficult thing to do. My head hurts.

I think you did a very good job of articulating the deep emotions of concern all of us who even has the nerve to stare this monster in the face. I too really can see why some people feel such a strong need to not only dismiss these accusations but to also make sure no one else believes them either. At the same time they also refuse to watch this evidence in movie format.

I think Alex Jones is doing his best to make America wake up. He is trying to make people understand just what is going on and WHY we have better do something about it now, take it to the streets. The unfortunate thing about his otherwise good intention is that all the hype, the music, the feelings he tries to portray only gives me the job of having to sit and try to sort out HIS hype much the same way I have to sit and sort our the hype from FOX etc. This is very unfortunate and here's why.

It's just like you said. Once you have done the job of sorting out the hype, you are still left with a few very disturbing facts. Oklahoma was a conspiracy by the FBI and the media bosses (not the workers at any of those places) that's why (like on 911) some truthful facts WAS reported on the same day, but never again. This is also what makes it so obvious that something is being cencured away, when you look at the reports from the day of the bombing /attack and the compare what is being reported the following days..... I mean, how does a bombtruck pulling up to the oklahoma building to dismantel a "very sofisticated bomb INSIDE the building" just disappear the next day? Where did the bombs go the following day? .....the following day it was Lee Harvey Oswald all over again....and we bought it... again!

Overview of the media takeover of america:
web.takebackthemedia.com...

How only 5 corporations now own all mass media in America:
www.corporations.org...

Let this thread be a place for sharing our concerns, lifting our spirits, and finding ways to fight it.

Thank you for putting the concern of so many Americans into words so well.



Sincerely

Cade

Originally posted by Cade

Originally posted by Ungoliath
i would love for something to be done about 9/11...i know it was an inside job, but people who have tried to expose the truth in the past have become statistics who shot themselves in the back of the head with a shotgun....(if you catch my drfit), so it would be incrediably hard...also i still think that the number of people who know this is still relativley very small....and until more people are told the truth, nothing will/can be done

They can kill individuals, but they cannot kill everyone in the population. The more we are the better.

So there can be consequences if we fight back, what happens if we compare these possible consequences with the certain consequences of not fighting back?

When estimating the dangers of PERHAPS "commiting suicide" to the certain consequences of America loosing liberty. How much safer will we feel in a society where people start to dissapear in the middle of the night?

Would we wish, with tears in our eyes and screams in our throath, that we had done something sooner when it was a lot safer?

I think you raise a valid question, safety, but let's take things into perspective when doing so...


Sincerely

Cade

i agree dude..i was just stating that fighting the american governement is going to one hell of an uphil battle...but i am prepared to fight the fight....something must be done before its too late

[edit on 21-1-2005 by Ungoliath]

I'm affraid also that we have no choice ( and I'm speaking as a non US citizen!). Here in Europe the effects of these minipulated events are shaping OUR constitutions as well if you can believe such madness.

If you knew what was found in the "100'th monkey syndrome" earlier in my post, this uphill battle is revealed as an illution. An illution keeping many from even trying.

Educating everyone around us about the lies of Oklahoma, Perl Harbor, 911 etc. will make them less receptive to the propagande tailing the next attack.

So let's get started on the list, what can we do?

There are many websites, are they made in the right way? Do they inform the readers why it is so important to understand know these things? Webpages educating of the reaons why this is relevant might be one thing on the list.

House parties are being held across america right now. You can read about it at 911citizenswatch.org...

What can we do? Let the brainstorm begin...


Sincerely

Cade

I believe the movie "What the bleeb to we know" puts the resistance in a new light!
torrentspy.com...

A must see for anyone looking for ways to change our world for the better!

We HAVE the power, and it can no longer be kept from the public!!! NWO GAME OVER!


Sincerely

Cade

A conspiracy video made by conspiracy buffs for conspiracy buffs is hardly proof positive. They too show you only what they want you to see and nothing else. And anyone can find a person to support your claims no matter how fantastic. I do not believe our government is perfect, and perhaps could have avoided 9/11 if it had been doing its job of gaurding our borders. That video however does not prove anything with the exception that some people still believe the earth is flat.

If you want an government complicity theory that avoids all talk of explosives, missiles, pods and holograms read Michael C. Ruppert's "Crossing the Rubicon - The Decline of the American Empire at the end of the age of oil" (note to mods, this is not a shameless plug as has been described before just an alternative theory that is based on reason and facts)

Big s to you Cade!

I have found with my own family - and would suppose for other patriotic Americans, that this information is so shocking, that as convincing as it is, they dont want to aknowledge it.

I have not seen many of these videos before, but the themes are mostly the same to others. I showed my father an Alex Jones video, and he was turned off because of Alex's extreme tactics. I completely agreed with everything my dad brought up in detest of the video, because it was only countering Alex, not the facts. After discussing the issue, my father and I both agree that everyone needs to be an active citizen in order to deserve citizenship. I dont mean making videos or devoting your entire life about it, but damnit we need to talk. We should atleast attempt to bring these things up within our circle of friends. Show some facts. Make an argument. Urge them to look into it themselves. If their convinced, urge them to spread the word. This is a battle for our minds and willpower. It is a lot easier to just keep living your everyday life, and pretend this isnt happening. We are afforded that on purpose. Get out of your comfort shell and tell somebody. Cade, ditto to 100 monkeys! This revolution can grow exponetially if we let it.

Bottom line, in any unbiased venue of judgement, it is painfully obvious that our "democratic" process is trailing off into where it shouldnt. We no longer have a government for the people. Its right in our faces, we should wake up and pay attention to history. 21st Century humans are still humans, and no constitution or declaration on paper is going to preserve itself. as citizens, we must realize that the price of our freedom is CONSTANT VIGILANCE.

edit: there is NO room for apathy.



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