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posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 01:14 AM
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Have you seen any hollywood movie......If you have then u have to believe how great they are......their President always the Ideal Human being (with no Monicas) Ideal father and Ideal Leader
There are some fixed nations which are always bad ...above all Russia (this proves how much they fear Russia) followed Germany ,Iraq and North Korea
and US is never bad .....they the messangers of Peace brotherlyhood blah blah blah ......let them make a film on Hirosima Nagasaki they will easyly prove how much great were americans there.

well , what i wanted to say that control over Media is the greatest weapon USA has ......Its not its nukes , Economy etc

when i go through the US news paper I read about racism in Russia...but believe me racist problem in Russia is nothing compared to the racist prob i faced in USA as a black......this racist prob is just an example .....they can prove any thing false to be true via their media ...let it be how much bad Soviet Union was or how bad Putin is.....

With most of their achivements being shot in studios US has only one great contribution in the Human civilisation- Control over media




posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 01:22 AM
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Could you tell us what problems you encountered in the US as a black?



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 01:33 AM
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Boy, are you out of it.

Racism in Russia is rampant. Wait a little while, youll meet some ol Russian skinheads that shall make you suffer for being black.

I know this from both people who are from there, and people who have been there, and people who support it. I remeber talking to a neighbor, who was a skinhead, who smiled as he happily told me about how many Russians do not like blacks in their country, and how Russian skinheads are know to stalk foreigners and beat them into bloody pulps. I know alot of Russians, many who say theyd rather kill their own kids than see tham married to blacks.

But being black, you arent nearly as endangered if you were a Jew. I remeber a friend of mine who was in the Ukraine, hearing on the news over there, about the rash of synogouge bombings, and anti Jewish posters stuck on walls, which if removed, blew up in the face of the person removing them.

Youll find nationalism in Russia on the rise, and with it, increased attacks against foreigners. You simply have to wait a while for them to come for you.

Youre obviously pretty ignorant of alot of things, so Ill leave you to wallow in it. I simply hope you watch yourself over there, and pay attention to your surroundings more, because I certainly would feel very bad if you let your guard down and ended up a victim, like alot of foreigners there do.

Be careful.



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 01:54 AM
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I am a person of Indian origin with a Russian Passport, my Mother is a Russian ,my father was an Indian . My brother is an American Citizen and is presently working as a research assistant in Drexel University Phiadelphia ,
last June I was invited by my brother to USA.
I started to face racist probs from the first day of my visit the police would always look at me with suspision (I came to know from my brother that blacks are gernrally involved in various crimes so generally they are suspected),.......I did not get euqal response which my Russian Girlfriend got there (ofcourse she is white skinned)
I came to know there is certain names applicable to my Race ...namely 1 black monkeys 2 'n-word's 3 cyber collie 4 deshi .......
and the general assmuption of the US citizens were I am a person who is llien to this world .
I was Invited to a professor's house in Philadelphia who came to know about my research work about Vaccine .but as soon as he saw me and came to know that I am a black skinned all my achievements as a researcher became secondary .

when u discreminate someone u neednot say him that you are discriminating -Its your attititude that speaks all .....before I went to USA i had high hopes from that coutry rather I respected that country but more I explored the country more i came to know that the country has nothing except propaganda......U can change your propaganda againt Black overnight but u cant change your attitude

moreover u americans virtually have no freedom in your lives ......taxes and laws guide your lives .....when u get ill u go to ur Insurance office b4 going to the Hospitals.....people with medium Income fear to go to the hospitals fearing about the expenses...............let me tell u ...u people have a terrible life oout there in USA.......a life without friend...life with out emotions
in US when u ask ur friend "how is life" u get diplomatic answers like "trying to servive"


yes there are probs in Russia too but still its far better than the US here we have a group of racists called Skinheads (I came to know from my brother that there are skin heads in US too ) but they are just a group of hooligans allof from the general pepulation ....a general Russian Citizen dosent have that discriminative attitude towards a black which a general US citizen has.
US people must learn to behave with their guests



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 02:00 AM
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prelude,

are you Russian by birth, or were you born in India? If you were born in India, at what age did you move to Russia? That is, if you don't mind me asking.



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 02:01 AM
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Interesting how much we have in common. I am off Indian origin too, 100%, although not sure Dravidian or local tribes.


Racism is everywhere, you can never put an end to that, be it the media or the politics.

Thinking of your enemy as evil and yourself as a perfect human being is everything but uncommon and weird. Afterall he is your enemy because he doesn't agree with you and everyone knows that you are right, right?

And media is just a tool to express that.

(I didn't mean you as in context yourself, prelude, it used it as a vague term.)

*P.S.: Desi isn't considered a put down as others you have mentioned.

Surf



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 02:07 AM
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""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Boy, are you out of it.

Racism in Russia is rampant. Wait a little while, youll meet some ol Russian skinheads that shall make you suffer for being black.

I know this from both people who are from there, and people who have been there, and people who support it. I remeber talking to a neighbor, who was a skinhead, who smiled as he happily told me about how many Russians do not like blacks in their country, and how Russian skinheads are know to stalk foreigners and beat them into bloody pulps. I know alot of Russians, many who say theyd rather kill their own kids than see tham married to blacks.

But being black, you arent nearly as endangered if you were a Jew. I remeber a friend of mine who was in the Ukraine, hearing on the news over there, about the rash of synogouge bombings, and anti Jewish posters stuck on walls, which if removed, blew up in the face of the person removing them.

Youll find nationalism in Russia on the rise, and with it, increased attacks against foreigners. You simply have to wait a while for them to come for you.

Youre obviously pretty ignorant of alot of things, so Ill leave you to wallow in it. I simply hope you watch yourself over there, and pay attention to your surroundings more, because I certainly would feel very bad if you let your guard down and ended up a victim, like alot of foreigners there do.

Be careful. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

thankyou sir for your resopnse ...but let me tell you what u are telling me is not a new info to me u open any Media source u ll get similar advices ........
this media is such a powerful device that it can make people digest anything ...i repeat ANYTHING .....
but please my friend tell me whom shall i believe ....all these stuff by u and the western media or my personal experience of being born and bought up as an Russian in st petersburg.

moreover , let me tell u Russians refusing to marry a black is completely a false propaganda....just go to the DTs in Russia and u ll find that the Africans having the most beautiful girls . ...........moreover I myself had a lot of proposal from Russian girls inspite of having an average income (according russian satndards) and average look.


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[edit on 16-1-2005 by prelude]



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 02:20 AM
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Since you were brought up in Russia you may understand my viewpoint on this. The US and the Russian media are both heavily influenced by the govt and those in power. The main difference being, I think, the average Russian is well aware of the extent of the bias, where the average American is not. Of course there will always be some on both sides who want to believe what they are told.

As for the way Hollywood portrays the US, last time I checked that's what country it was in. It is geared, first and foremost, to American consumers so it is only natural that they be pro-American. Unless you are Michael Moore, demonizing America doesn't do good box office in the states.



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 02:33 AM
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We are all victims of someones cruelty or bias at some point but if we would ignore the idiots and stop making people like Jessie Jackson rich because of it we could start to do away with it. But that will never happen because too many people on both sides of the game have to much to gain.



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 02:34 AM
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Duzey
I fully accept your views , Press in both the country are largely influenced by Govt ....we Russians know that it is being influenced while the americans are ignorant....
but the problem is -the west prefers to play a second fiddle to America as a result Americal is generally potrayed as the fathers of Justice.......To know how bad the situation is in Russia u have the Western Media how have their own political motives (though they are MUCH MUCH MUCH exagarated ) but U dont have any strong source to propagate the how much eveil USA is and how bad the sutuation is out there in the USA



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 03:02 AM
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I wouldn't say that the west prefers to pays second fiddle to America. In Canada, worrying about being taken over by American culture will soon replace our national sport. I think a lot of European countries have similar concerns, not just the east. The thing is, there are just so darn many of them. They are the ones with the spending power and the sheer numbers, to make their voice heard over everyone else’s.

And the US is not necessarily evil; they just see things from a different perspective. You see, to know how an American thinks, you have to be an American. It is all in the way they are brought up, taught in school and what they see on TV. That, and maybe something in the water.

The thing that people outside the US sometimes don't realize, is that while America does sometimes do silly things (but we all do), their heart is usually in the right spot. Take Iraq, for example. Most Americans truly believe that what they were doing was for the good of humanity, and yes, to save the world. While I may not agree with the way they went about it, or have asked them to do it, I do think they were sincere in their wish for a more secure world for everyone. If they were evil, they wouldn't care so much.

This of course is only my opinion.



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 03:45 AM
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Duzey
I would like a discussion with you rather than a debate....
U say the west dosent play a second fiddle to US .....then why did most of west european countries send their troops to Iraq....why dont we find alternative view points other than "capitalist", " Open market " "anti socialist" viewpoints in western websites ? why is the soviet Union always potrayed as an "eveil" power in the west -I do accept It had many drawbacks(as all systems do) but It had many many achevements too(biggest I think is that it Educated the Russian Population with a literacy rate of 99%) ...but those brighter sides are never highlited......i dont say i am a supporter of communists or the soviet union ....and i ll say that an average Russian is happier with Putin than they were with Soviet Union. but what ever is the case the US media is always ANTI Russian with the western media playing "second fiddle" publishing the old US wine in new bottle ........I bit of research will reveal my point.....................let me make my point more clear when ever u go to any western /US media u ll find that Russians are having a poor life after the fall of Soviet Union ...people are poor etc etc etc ,,,,,,,but u ll never find the truth ...the truth is that in Today's Russia any hardworking person can gain financial fortune...the only poor are the people(generally from the villages) who still bear the soviet belief that the Govt will provide everything for them .......but when its BBC or CNN they will only report how sad the country is ....they will never say that atlast the Russians have got some freedom .....they will never say that Putin has ultimately stabilized our economy .......yes its true we dont believe in democracy we believe in "controlled" Democracy ....but that dosent us "eveil" and our president nothing more than an "ex-KGB spy"

sometime i feel that the fear of a Soviet attack still haunts them or may be the West dosent want a strog stable Russia for their own political Motives

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posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 04:10 AM
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No problem, I prefer a good discussion to a debate any day.

First, to make myself clear, yes, the rest of the West plays second fiddle to the US, but no, we do not prefer it. It is a matter that causes a few hurt feelings and insecurities among the other countries who don't have as much power and influence as they do.

On the internet, if you search google.com you will get mostly American links, because there are so many of them, and they have the money and resources to put them there. But if you search a regional google, such as Canada, England etc, you may get a different picture.

I have always thought that Russia was more of a socialist state than a communist one, but I may be wrong. A lot of conservatives call Canadians communists and socialist lefties, too.

As for Russia today, I think most people believe that you are better off today than you were before. At least now you have a chance to change the future and make your country an example of how the will of the people can really make a difference. Nobody thought the road to freedom in your country would be an easy one.

You're right, they are concerned about Russia's capabilities. But can you really blame them? In the last 50 years you are the only country that have been able to truly rival them, and make them work for it. You have political influence in South America and Cuba, very close to their border, and are finally digging your country out of the past. But instead of being insulted by this, why not try to feel complimented. This means that they recognize you as a force.

And Iraq? I think that the countries that went did so for one of a few reasons. First, because they really believed that there were WMD. Second, because they wanted to support America and make them feel less isolated than they were at the time. Third, related to the second, they thought that by supporting the US they would gain political favour and did it seeking payback in the future. Of course, there could be other reasons too. My country didn't, and there are people here that think we should have.

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posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 05:14 AM
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The President is not always the morale hero in the movies in the US. I would say a good deal of them are like that, but you obviously have not seen them all. Many depict the truth of the office as well as the corruption. You need to get a better understanding of the movies out there from Hollywood before making a statement like that. You also fail to realize made for tv movies that depict past presidents. The media within the USA does a pretty good job of bashing the presidents of the USA, and you don't even need to pay money to see that. Take a look a reality.



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 08:58 AM
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All nations are displayed as bad in Americas's media, with the exception of them of course. In movies we mostly see bad guys from Slavic nations such as Russia,Yugoslavia,Checkoslovakia.. Then we have the Arabs from Iraq,Syria.. Then we even have brits being displayed as bad guys and aussies too.



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 09:18 AM
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this has to be one of the best posts ever and it does highlight some serious discussion and debate.

and Prelude I love your 'tell it how it is' attitude on how you feel about america, it's quite refreshing and very honest.

thanks,
drfunk



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 09:20 AM
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I think the main reason is that Americans want to see American Heros. After all most American movies are made for the American market and you would expect them to be heaviliy biased. The only problem i have is the way Hollywood misportays History,for example the capture of U571 and the Enigma machine was a British operation but is portrayed in the film of the same name as an American effort.
But if films are made in America for an American audience they dont want to see Britts or Germans as the Hero, they want to see Americans as Heros. It is just entertainment after all.



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 10:17 AM
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The "West", aka the Protestant-Jew-Wiccan-Celt Mercantilistic Axis (1) set fourth a plan to "help" Russia recover from economic troubles.
(1) = USA, Albion, Helvetic confederation of bankers (Thieves)

As with the Collapse of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik) , soviet rulers were enticed into accepting the wonderfulness of the Free Market economy.

Since Past did not work, a decision was made to go in opposite direction.

Full Privatization of Heavy Industry. This began early, shady characters meeting in shady places. 90's.

Anonymous government official makes declaration with his face covered in television, revealing a fraction of what is happening.

Description of Scheme:

- State Bank controlled by friendly shady character X, loans 500.000 dollars to shady character Y (who in normal conditions would not receive a loan to buy a meal in Mcdonalds)

- Shady character Y picks up the money, buys Big State Company Z for a pittance.

- Becoming the proprietary of Big State Company Z, shady character Y
goes to the coffers of said company, amazingly it has more than 500.000 dollars in cash.

-Shady character Y takes money from the company's safe, and repays the loan to friendly bank directed by shady character X.


Easy way to own an Oil Company, Telecom, Machine factory.


These Shady characters then proceeded with the schemes, and became to amass vast fortunes, and became known as "The Oligarchs".

Boris Yeltsin era passes, and the "West" thinks Russia was easy.

But Mother Russia has this nasty tendency to survive, after all, with such harsh living conditions people there aren't exactly softy.


Then.. the return of Old Guard, the Siloviki.

Vladimir Putin, ex colonel of KGB, how apropriate.

Soon, the Oligarchs start making news, they are being harassed, threatened.

They complain on Western Media, that Russia is going back to its old ways, and it is, thankfully.

With the help of Samaritan Swiss Bankers, Oligarchs manage to escape with considerable fortunes. This is also why the Siloviki isn't too fond of Switzerland.




Then, we enter New Millenium, and remaining Oligarchs still not understand what the rules are.

Oligarchs go all happy on Television, and all sorts of rumours abound, about intentions of selling Strategic Russian Companies (now in their private hands), to the nice friends in the West, the same that wanted to "help", with Free Market, and had so many advice.

Siloviki are remarkably quiet. But then everything unfolds. Oligarchs are not going to sell anything, because everything will be taken from them, by whatever means necessary. Masonic Shady Characters should know that they are little kids with snotty nose, when compared with the KGB old school.

Boris Berezovsky, the media magnate, now is reduced to making tv interviews with his Handycam.

Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the Yukos "owner" now sits in jail, and not for the reasons you read in newspaper, its not about politics, its about military-strategic reasons.

for those with not much memory:

---- 2003-08-06 ----

"Kremlin approval of possible Yukos-Chevron deal depends on US"

"The Sunday Times and the Guardian recently wrote that ChevronTexaco could
acquire a 25% share in Russian oil company Yukos and then the information
was further distributed by foreign information agencies."

"The sources said that ChevronTexaco
has long been interested in acquiring a stake in Yukos as a means of gaining access
to the Russian market"

english.pravda.ru...


And then:

---- 2004-12-01 ----


www.cnn.com...
(Link broken, but i kept it as souvenir, im a romantic)

"MOSCOW/LONDON (Reuters) -- Russia's gas monopoly Gazprom is talking to Western banks to
raise up to $10 billion to fund the purchase of the key oil unit of embattled
oil major Yukos, industry sources said on Wednesday."

Where is Chevron now?


And then:

---- 2004-12-08 ----

"Gazprom to receive 10B$ loan to acquire Yukos
bankers say.

Exxon Chief Weary of making new big investment in Russia"


How surprising. The "Free" Market is weary of stealing Russian Property.

The Siloviki are running the place now. There no fat friend gatherings, a new era of military discipline is here to stay. Any Unpatriotic individual will
have a precarious present. Future? none.

source: Bloomberg



Now, there is still one Oligarch left, Roman Abramovich.

With considerable interests, Sibneft, Aeroflot, RUSAL (Russian Aluminium).

I bet no one hears him speaking about sale or "joint-ventures" with West Free Marketeers. The minute he mentions it, a mysterious law suit will pop up for some back taxes.

In any case Gazprom, the State Monopoly is said to become a National Champion, it will aquire Yukos and Sibneft and will rival the big ones , ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco. Now all in Russian hands , as it should.

Most of these Oligarch Thieves are Jews, who had ample cooperation from their Jew Swiss Bankers, and Jew Masonic Networks in the UK and the US.

The UK harbours these criminals. Perhaps one day they will have an accident. The People of Russia would mourn their loss immensely.


So, to reply to the thread, yes the Propaganda Weapon is powerful, it managed to delay Russia for 15 years, but now with yearly GDP growth of 7% (China style), no propaganda can stop Russia. Let the Free Market whiners scream from the bottom of their lungs, their words are trash. worthless.

Siloviki are back. No More Oligarch.



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 04:08 PM
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"JANUS wrote"""""""""""""It is just entertainment after all."""""""""""""""""""""""""

u are completely wrong here Hollywood is not just a mere tool of Entertainment...rather is a popular ground to exhibit to the world how Great USA is .....its not made merely for Americans...Its now a days made for the international public ....whith the foreign policy makers digging all their brains in It

Tartessian
thanks fr a netshell explanition of the situation
................Its really rejoicing to see the Revival of Mother Russia ...n the west failing to subdue it inpite of all their efforts......................

they call our president dictator and our Country Non democratic .......but fail to understand...rather they dont want to understand that if President Putin in in his office he is due to his noble service for the Russians ....which have been reflected by his popular vote bank in Russia.........................................its really Interesting to see the Americans and the West Screwed inspite of all their efforts when it comes to Mother Russia



posted on Jan, 16 2005 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by drfunk
this has to be one of the best posts ever and it does highlight some serious discussion and debate.

and Prelude I love your 'tell it how it is' attitude on how you feel about america, it's quite refreshing and very honest.

thanks,
drfunk


awesome thread, very interesting to get a taste of what perspective REALLY means.

perhaps our social systems are both rigid and flexible at the same time; we can all be correct.



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