a reply to: Kantzveldt
Hey Kantzveldt, have missed you!(I haven't been present on such forums) (still hope to posses one or more of your drawings someday, I myself a few
months ago started drawing a bit so hopefully someday we can make some trades).
From the little I have just for the first time heard of and gathered on 'Atenism' it appears to be 'sun worship' of sorts? After quite the long
winter for myself personally I have somewhat turned to sun worship as well the past few weeks...
I wonder if it is no coincidence that perhaps humans originally developed nearer the equator; what were the winters like in Egypt then? As mentioned
sun worship was prevalent prior, but the novelty of atenism and its promotor, was that it attempted to belittle all the other worships to focus on the
sun? What were people worshipping prior, gods for everything; like the God of rivers, the God of beads, the God of rain, the God of lightening, the
God of triangles, the God of pottery? Away from monotheism, is it more worshipping of humans, like celebrities, royal family; is this the general
continual historical struggle, those who genuinely want to live simply and piously and respect a total nature, and those who worship humans, and cats,
and ornate clothing and jewelry and 'the flesh'?
If they were worshipping like, the God of rabbits, and the God of carrots etc. could it be Akhenaten merely attempted to reason; there are no rabbits
and no carrots without the sun; which may be true, but difficult logic... but well, he would have said, the sun is the king of our lives, the highest
power we have access too and are aware of, the source of our lives, the provider of light; those he was arguing against could have said, there are
still important 'matters' besides the sun itself, which are obviously required for everything we are aware of; I am hardly hesitant to doubt he
intuited that like modern science theory might posit something like that the material of the solar system may have started as ~"one" conglomorate of
material, and then spun out and/or coalesced into its forms; but yeah regardless, people could have said, yes perhaps rabbits and beads and humans
would not be possible without the sun; but pottery, and art, and fashion, and story telling, and tool making, and geometry, are still their own
things, own aspects of reality, the sun is its thing, and they are their thing, and they have a relation but they are different, so why should'nt one
but yes, now I realize, we probably are not talking about such general things as worshipping things as one might worship god (as people might worship
things today like the god of television, the gods of fast food etc.) but perhaps, the gods people worshipped in egypt, were similar idea of like greek
and roman gods, as I did see mentioned somewhere in a link or this thread, that it was thought the gods that might have been worshipped were gods
reflecting the nature of the human psyche; or human characteristics, archtypes, like goddess of beauty, god of strength, fertility, speed, drunkeness
Pretty much taking ideals or extremes of human characteristics, and imagining like the platonic forms of such characteristics, personified in a
these likely go so far back into human history, the concepts of importance of speed, and strength, and fertility, there is really no knowing or
telling what people originally intended these concepts to be or mean to them; the game of telephone, lost in translation, think of fairy tales and
stories adults tell children, campfire fables, colloquialalities, proverbials; from one generation to the next;
Think of how easy it would be to convince the generation just born now, that all of our superhero comic books are real god entities, heck, that the
films are documenteries! Well... now they can go on the internet and find the truth, well... couldnt do that a few thousand years ago;
So I mean, it could have been, that the people of egypt, (and well, I read Akhenaten was leader for like 17 years, which is pretty long time, compared
to some modern presidancy, and it would be unfair of me to try to think to consider comparing and measuring novelty change of the last 8 contemporary
years (technology, knowledge) to any 17 year span of egypts long history; how many 17 year spans did similarly interesting things happen, and the
common folk just kept doing their thing as they do; but I suppose this moment is particularly interesting because this king reigned so close to the
uprising of moses and such, which is part of your point of this thread I suppose? ...
anyway, so I mean... could have been the people of egypt were showing signs similar to our modern times, potential obsessions with false idols,
obsessed with 'reality' shows and, and the Akhenaten perhaps desired to attempt to instill some conservative values...
Or as the theory suggests in your first link, he had purely selfish motives.
I personally have tremendous experiences with the sun; even sitting outside for 5 -10 minutes, facing the sun, and just 'zoning out' unfocus my eyes,
deep breathing and I wont say meditate, but that might be what it is, because when I think of meditate or at least when I used to try, well, I never
used to try in the sun so that is a difference, used to try in a dark room, and still had calming experiences (not astral projection and stuff, but
some interesting pineal feelings, and some intense zoning out, lack of imagination and thought), but in the sun, it just feels good to be in the sun,
lol, that much is obvious by nothing the popularity of beaches and tanning; so yeah, it does give me a boost of energy (I know too vitamin d is it)
and it gives me ideas, but that might just be giving myself a break to have clear mind and think, and it kind of massages your head, it kind of just
takes over, because its more powerful then me, like allign my forehead with the sun, and you can feel how powerful it is, and yeah...
So yeah, all and all, I think evoking the sun, is a way to remind people of reality, the truth, ironically many people go about their daily lives 'in
the clouds' head in the sand, thinking about petty matters and quarrels and desires, and to evoke the sun is to say.... massive fireball continouslly
ejecting uncountable quantity of light that is responsible for everything we know, can do and are... be thankful, relax a bit, existing as human on
earth is mysterious and interesting and wonderful, and there are powerful things beyond our control that are responsible for our control, sit in the
sun for a bit, and enjoy it, appreciate it, have a relationship with it, let it make you feel good, feel its warmth, admire and respect that.
So then, I mean, he can say anything, like, the sun is responsible for everything, therefore it is responsible for my potentials, therefore it is
responsible for the potential for you to make your clothes and beads and pottery, and stories, and geomtry and pyramids, all the ideas and thoughts
you have are due to the suns existence, and light coming from the sun and entering you and that which you utilize, and therefore it is also
responsible for me, Akhenaten's thoughts, which led me to power, and led me to make these rules, and led me to tell you that it told me to tell you
that it is the best, and because it told me this and not any of you, it thinks I am the best, and should be your leader.
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