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Russia Fly By on US Warship

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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:09 PM
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Looks like Russia is sparking tensions once again as it had numerous aircraft flyby on a US Warship.
www.bbc.com...

This comes as Russia is also increasing their submarine presence.
www.cnn.com...

It seems Russia is really ramping things up lately. With plans to upgrade 12 naval bases along the arctic circle we should be keeping an eye on Russia very closely. Is this another cold war or is Russia actually planning to continue what they started with Ukraine ?



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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: Joecanada11




A Russian plane "buzzed" a US ship in an act of "aggression"... Riiiight.





posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: mekhanics

Point taken! And I had a good laugh.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: Joecanada11
Looks like Russia is sparking tensions once again as it had numerous aircraft flyby on a US Warship.
www.bbc.com...

This comes as Russia is also increasing their submarine presence.
www.cnn.com...

It seems Russia is really ramping things up lately. With plans to upgrade 12 naval bases along the arctic circle we should be keeping an eye on Russia very closely. Is this another cold war or is Russia actually planning to continue what they started with Ukraine ?


Much ado about nothing, the only thing the Americans did in retaliation was to shoot pretty pictures, albeit good ones. The Americans were watching and the Russians were watching the watchers, simple as that.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

They sure were playing it up on CNN. Saying they haven't seen anything like this since the cold war and so forth. They should change CNN to FNN (fear news network)



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: Joecanada11

Well first of all the mig's were unarmed or the US missile destroyer would have taken action, it could have shot down several squadrons of these mig's with no need for any back up and is more highly advanced than the equivalent Russian missile destroyers.

Secondly it is not Russia ramping thing's up or at least not Russia on there own, the Cold war was over, Russia was a democracy and thing's looked good for peace but that was VERY, VERY BAD indeed for the military industrial complex because they need a bogey man to keep the tax dollar's pumping into there account's, tax dollar's they then turn around with and buy the US senators with in a kind of twisted little circle of evil.

So peace, yeah great for you and me and the people in Russia too, free trade could prosper, good's could now move were they previously could not and while old alliances (and business ties) weakened new one's were formed.

But the cushy number the secret cabal whom rule the none elected government behind the military industrial complex (which is not just the US but in Britain and what was west Germany by the way) was threatened as they were rapidly becoming an anachronism, so leak a few secret's to china and help them to get there military up to spec so engineering a new bogey man but of course they are not ideal so they needed someone closer, why not get the old bear angry again, build missile defence and military installations around the now peaceful and democratic (with some corruption and election rigging of course - how is that any different to the west - even have politicians helping themselves to the state money just like the west) Russian Federation which has succeeded the old Soviet Block and is now far smaller, rile them up even more by building these installation on former Soviet territory and surround them, make them feel hedged in and under threat, they have stopped threatening but hey let's make them look like the bad guy again.

Get the picture, now the Military Industrial Complex and there intelligence money laundering drug dealing cartel wing are all happy again, now they can get back to there highly unethical and most often totally illegal work of enforcing a secret police state and keeping there hidden cabal in power.

As for Ukrain, it is really russia, nearly half it's population are ethnic russian's whom speak russian as a first language, the other half thought hitler was a saint and butchered poles, russian's and jew's, The crimea is Russian territory that was only put under Crimean control in the 60's by an Ethnic Ukrainian Soviet leader whom actually did it only for adminstration purposes, it was always part of Russia (for hundred's of years anyway).

So really who is the bad guy, your wallet is being pilfered (Robbed) to pay for a cabal of criminal's whom are stealing your tax money, terrorizing Russia to provoke them into a new arm's race and to justify there position and then using that same Tax money they are being paid by your and our government to then buy your Senators and other western leaders.

The enemy whom is closer is the one you should fear.

They have been in charge since they murdered Kennedy in Dallas, probably for some time before that as well but that was the coup that cemented there position and ended your democracy.

Kennedy was not a saint, his brother suffocated Marilyn Monroe with a pillow and there father was a bootlegger whom made his wealth as a gangster but he cared about your nation, another brother was a war hero remember and perfect or not Kennedy cared about the US people, showed he was a strong leader and earned the fear and respect of the Soviet premier and was not going to be dictated to by the secret Cabal, he was not killed from the book repository but probably a rigged camera with a gun inside it or over the fence on the grassy knoll.

The men whom murdered your last truly great president are also the men whom cemented that monster which is today causing this evil and using your nation as a masque to hide behind and control, look at your patriot's being beaten and forced to eat off the floor, your veterans being maltreated while these people live like emperors on your tax dollar's, if Kennedy had lived they probably would still have gained control after he was gone but his murder show's the length's they will go to, your rights and your freedom's are not there concern, taking them away may be.

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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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Gee a jet flying by a ship and people freak .



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:54 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Bull. Even if they were armed they wouldn't have done anything. The entire thing took place in international waters.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: Joecanada11

They haven't seen this since the Cold War. The 1973 Agreement was signed to stop mock attacks and close Flybys like this. Previously they'd fly by well above and usually off to one side, not low, just across the bow.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: Joecanada11
Looks like Russia is sparking tensions once again as it had numerous aircraft flyby on a US Warship.
www.bbc.com...

This comes as Russia is also increasing their submarine presence.
www.cnn.com...

It seems Russia is really ramping things up lately. With plans to upgrade 12 naval bases along the arctic circle we should be keeping an eye on Russia very closely. Is this another cold war or is Russia actually planning to continue what they started with Ukraine ?



Well it is pretty obvious that things all over the world are getting crazy. They are just getting their chess pieces in order, as anyone would, including us.


iTruthSeeker



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: LABTECH767

Bull. Even if they were armed they wouldn't have done anything. The entire thing took place in international waters.



This is true. Kind of like filming in public. Your allowed to even though it will piss certain people off.

iTruthSeeker



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

If your ship had felt threatened they would have contacted your command back in the us and gotten clearance or not, the US probably would have ordered your ship to stand down and only return fire if fired upon as they are playing by cold war rule's, you know this is accurate.

If those planes had been armed the Ship would have locked in a firing solution which as you know only takes a fraction of a second to do these day's, they would not have fired but the pilot's would likely have gotten the message and both sides backed down having made there point as well.

The Russian's to be fair are just as bad as they have countered by restarting there cold war nuclear ballistic submarine deployment's but only after being severely provoked over a prolonged period.

Today we are getting old Russian Bear bombers periodically flying in close proximity of British Air Space but let's be fair though still capable air craft they are so old even the aging Tornado with our avionic's and weapon's is far more powerful than almost anything the Russian air force can field, including there latest air craft, the Tornado remember is an aging multi role combat air craft also of cold war vintage and while some of the newer russian air craft are more maneuverable and faster there electronic warfare suites lag behind most that we still have even with our idiot prime ministers cut's in defence spending.

You also know what I say about the Military Industrial complex is the truth, it is not totally evil though as it supports hundreds of thousands in employment but is that worth the cost of maintaining it and provoking a new cold war because war is good for business and with the end of the old cold war some people got nostalgic.

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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

And how is that "taking action"?


Well first of all the mig's were unarmed or the US missile destroyer would have taken action, it could have shot down several squadrons of these mig's with no need for any back up and is more highly advanced than the equivalent Russian missile destroyers.


Even if they were armed they wouldn't have done anything. They don't have to call home to get permission to defend themselves, but barring an actual launch, or locking on and flying a launch profile with missiles on the wings they weren't a threat, and even then they had other options than firing a missile.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: smurfy

They sure were playing it up on CNN. Saying they haven't seen anything like this since the cold war and so forth. They should change CNN to FNN (fear news network)


Not true, last year this headline in the Washington Times,

Russian fighter jet almost collides with U.S. reconnaissance plane over Black Sea

Story was based on a CNN report, some of the content,

'U.S. defense officials said the Russian warplane was not armed. The flyby was considered routine because there are so many military aircraft from NATO and Russia flying over the Baltics and the Black Sea. Still, the two aerial events received considerable attention at the Pentagon because they created potential danger to the U.S. personnel'

So it was plane to plane that time, no more word of an almost collision..it's all in the way you say in the headline.
read more here,
www.washingtontimes.com...

A couple of points then, firstly,
the WT story gives the clue in the heading, they just had, or are forced to make something of it, no doubt from Washington hill, or the Pentagon..whatever.
Secondly, a ship's commander obviously has to join in the rhetoric, even if he didn't give a toss.
I don't think that the Russian opposte numbers response would be any, or much different, however what we are supposed to do as little minions....is to believe all this shiite.
Then have a guess, who have been the biggest victims of security/military paranoia in the past? Yep, innocent folk who thought it was a good idea to step into an airplane to go see another part of the world.
The Russians did it, the Americans did it and in recent memory, and again guess what...it was so called misidentification, because they had no clue that those planes, miles high, and miles away,were not armed
Yet a warplane coming from infinity can buzz a warship for the laugh...no problem, they take fecking pictures, probably a wave or two. Does that not tell you something...anything?



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

This is the first time it's happened with a ship. It's actually different against ships because there's more chance for error or accident with flight ops going on.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

I pointed out that the modern US missile destroyer is a very dengerous foe to provoke which it is, the action they would or could have taken would be to lock in a firing solution, not fire unless fired upon though of course which given the range of the mig's if they had been hostile would potentially have been a fatal delay and to contact there command whom would then in turn contact the russian's via diplomatic hotline, this lead's to a stand down cold war style with both side's glaring at one another (figuratively) over the telephone, still the US had right to be there since they had just come out of a friendly polish port, the Russian's however saw this as a provocation as they tend to think of the Baltic as there sea just as the US do the Caribean (with the notable exception of Cuban waters during the cold war).

Action is of course not necessarily military action in the form of an aggressive response though all option's are of course open to a ship's commander whom must make those decision's on the fly and with competance as you well know.

After all a ship's commander is also most often definitely not a fool and would of course be more than well aware of geopolitical and international status, tension's and all the other factors necessary for someone whom MAY be in charge of nuclear munition's from time to time or placed (as has been the case too many time's to count in recent years) in a politically sensitive situation.

The argument the US has is that they were not heading for russian territorial waters but were leaving a Polish port and in international waters, it may be the Russian's playground but they do not own it and the Baltic is host to the port's of many nation's other than russian, the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany and Poland, Russia has ports at there enclave of Kaliningrad which is isolated between Lithuania and Poland and at there St Petersberg port with though in Russian proper territory is isolated in a region between Finland and Estonia.

Though the Russian's still see this highly international water as there personal patch, perhaps a hang over from the cold war period and they still patrol it very heavily, often causing tension's with there neighbors in the region such as the recent Swedish Submarine scare.

Perhaps it is also more important to Russia as it is there principle route to the north Atlantic as well without there cargo having to sail the far more treacherous Arctic Ocean route.

I have not read these sites but a quick google gives some interesting information, sometimes from the russian perspective which is what we are trying to analyse after all, they have a strong historical nationalist claim to access of the baltic as well.

rusnavy.com...
www.kkrva.se...
russiasperiphery.blogs.wm.edu...
www.osw.waw.pl...
www.worldreview.info...


Of course it was just posturing by the Russian's but bare in mind also the lesson from history, during the second world war both Japan and German used planes as weapon's, just put explosive inside the plane itself and if flying this close is tollerated then when does this tollerated trojan horse kick.

This was like playing chicken and seeing who dodged first, actually a stupid way of making a point, the Russian's could have done it more peacefully by putting two of there flag waving ship's at a safe distance in those waters like they used to in the cold war, not provoking but flexing, I suspect this was not ordered from the highest echelon of Russian authority though and probably a junior officer ok'd it, it may also have possibly been bravado as unarmed they could very well have been a training flight but if that is the case the Russian's would never admit that though there may be a few Russian pilot's with there wing's clipped.

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posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: smurfy

This is the first time it's happened with a ship. It's actually different against ships because there's more chance for error or accident with flight ops going on.

So you want to rest my case? the answer to that begins with a big, 'B' flight 'OPS' cancelled to take pretty pictures, and besides,


That was 2014...I forget what the ship was called... no I don't actually

BTW listen to the broadcast, "It screamed past the ship Twelve times a thousand yards away at five hundred feet" Jeez, that ABC gal knows plenty...Meh! I think she even used the word 'Buzzed' But then maybe she only knows what she knows..I often hear people say that.

To add, some youtuber, looked up on that encounter and found out more...well maybe,
but have a look in anyway..Jeez, this Donald is nearly as popular as the other one with the funny hair,

edit on 15-4-2016 by smurfy because: Video.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:20 PM
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I think it was the uss Donald Cook wasn't it?
The buzz wuz their defensive radars etc were blacked out by the aircrafts emp machine or other device
Ture? I wouldn't know....



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: bandersnatch
I think it was the uss Donald Cook wasn't it?
The buzz wuz their defensive radars etc were blacked out by the aircrafts emp machine or other device
Ture? I wouldn't know....


So this time they just took pretty pictures of the aircraft.



posted on Apr, 15 2016 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

Thanks for that second video. That is some interesting information. If all those facts are true and the advanced combat ship was actually rendered useless that would make things a bit real for those on board.




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