Fastest piston fighter

I have been reading about the history of Supermarine and in order to replace the Spitfire they developed a new fighter called the Spiteful. Apparently it was an excellent performer but wasn't bought for the RAF because of the end of the war and the advent of the Meteor and Vampire jets.

The Supermarine Spiteful was claimed to have a top speed of 485mph but on one test Jeffrey Quill, the famous Spitfire test pilot, had it up to 494mph on a level run!

I reckon this must make it the fastest ever piston fighter unless anyone knows any different?

Incidentally, a carrier version of the Spiteful had the brilliant name 'Sea Fang'





[edit on 12-1-2005 by waynos]

[edit on 12-1-2005 by waynos]

Nope. See Grummen "Bearcat".

A P-51 posted an above 500 run at the races 2 years ago. Believe it was like 525. But before that the Bearcat was the fastest hands down. In a dive the P-38 would get shockwave formation and crash, so that would be the fastest in a dive.

A bit of info about it would have been nice, instead of just 'see Grumman Bearcat'

I suppose I'll just have to find my own.

Edit; I have found several pages on the Bearcat and the max speed varies from page to page but the lowest quoted is 421mph and the highest is 455mph, that makes the Spiteful easily faster at 494mph.

Also I'm not talking about modified reno racers but actual fighter planes with guns. Can anyone come up with a verifyable piston fighter capable of more than 494mph?

[edit on 13-1-2005 by waynos]

- Bet the answer is no Waynos.

I'm sure I recall something just over 470mph for the Focke Wulf Ta 152 and the Sea Fury but I have never seen a verified 490+mph for anything other than......

..... a hand re-built, tuned to the max (ie a very short-life motor), specially fueled, stripped down, specially coated/painted/polished and aerodynamically messed with racer.

In other words in no way a comparable 'fighter' plane at all.

BTW top pics again mate!

[edit on 13-1-2005 by sminkeypinkey]

Well I previously believed the fastest piston fighter to be the DH Hornet at 485mph, I'm sure it was the fastest to see service, but after reading of the speed of the Spiteful I posted this topic to see if anyone knew of a fighter that could beat it, or more interestingly beat the magic 500mph mark.

According to aerospace.org the official highest speed record (piston Poswered) is held by a Grumman F8F Bearcat 528.33 mph Record was set on 21 August 1989.

You see? Its a big deal that it has the record but its not really what I'm after.

This bearcat is stripped , tuned, glossed and pampered with modern day equipment to look after it and make sure it does the biz. Its not really representative of the type but a unique machine in its own right. I meant REAL fighters, of the time.

[edit on 13-1-2005 by waynos]

Seems the Aussies had a faster one!



Of course like many others in the era after WWII it was not put into prodution.



The fastest production piston engined aircraft I could find was the Dornier DO-335.





DO-335


Interestingly enough a passenger plane ends up being the fastest propeller driven aircraft.

TU-114 first flown in 1956,






Its a civilianized TU-95

TU-114



[edit on 13-1-2005 by Phoenix]

Cheers Phoenix Thats what I was after I know of the CA-15 (witness the quiz thread) but strangely never thought to check up on its performance before.


I knew of the Tu-114 too, but it is a turb-prop, not piston powered.

As impressive as the D0335 was however I still maintain that this was the fastest production piston fighter

Waynos, check out the Republic P47J,

The Fastest Piston Engine Fighter Of The War

P-47M









The J model seems to qualify as the fastest although the utility of its speed is questionable in relation to its usual opponents operations at lower altitudes. Maybe it was a good counter to the Fockewulf TA-152 which also operated at high altitude.

Cheers again, thats fascinting, I'd never heard of this version of the 'Jug'

So If we are doing a table (now we have a few) it would seem to go thus;

1, Repuplic XP-47J
2, Commonwealth CA-15
3, Supermarine Spiteful
4, DH 103 Hornet (fastest in service)
5, Dornier Do 334 (2nd fastest in service).

Now is that a definitive top 5, or not?

Hmmm, could look deeper into this.

edit; following on from this I googled 'fastest piston fighters' and the num,ber of pages all claiming the title of THE fastest for one type or another is quite bewildering Also, following on from the varying 'top speeds' quoted for the Grumman Bearcat earlier I wonder if there is a definitive accurate source for such information?

[edit on 13-1-2005 by waynos]

Here's a little more information that is relevant to this thread and also the 'first to break the sound barrier' thread.

I was reading the book 'The British Fighter Since 1912' by F K Mason and chanced upon the following two quotes;



That sounds like an exciting job doesen't it

then there was this startling account;


This is a much higher speed than I thought any Spifire would have recorded and is probably as close to the speed of sound as any piston fighter of the time managed to get.

The World War 2. P-51C Mustang.Fitted with Rolls Royce Merlin V12 engine 1490 H.P had a top speedof 505mph.

No it didn't, the P-51C was just the P-51B fitted with a Malcolm sliding hood, as used on the Spitfire, to increase pilot visibility, the RAF called both the P-51B and P-51C the 'Mustang III' as they were the same plane, the P-51D with its distinctive bubble canopy then being the 'Mustang IV'. The top speed of all these variants with the Merlin installed was around 430mph. The only P-51's capable of anything like 500 mph are the post war racer modifications that compete with similarly modified Bearcats and Sea Furies.

First post so sorry about any errors in style.

The fastest mustang was the P-51H.
With the 2218 h.p Packard-Merlin 2218 h.p V-1650-9 V-12 it reached a maximum speed of of 487 MPH.
Not the fastest fighter but much faster than your stated 430 MPH top speed for any Mustang. And this was a production fighter.

Source:
home.insightbb.com...

[edit on 16-1-2005 by Veltro]

I know it might not be the fastest but recently, at an air show in Cleveland, a P-51 performing there absoloutely amazed me at how fast it could climb. I don't know if it had been modified because it looked as if the owner wanted to keep everything original (at least the exterior) but man that thing climbed like it was a jet. Very impressive. It actually raced a modern jet (an F-14, I believe) and beat it to the finish line. Of course it had a pretty good head start and was coming out of a dive but man, it was still pretty awesome

Veltro, I take your point about the P-51H, 487mph is well up there and I think just shades the DH Hornet.

The figure of 430 mph I quoted earlier was however just an approximate figure for the P-51B, C and D that I had been talking about ( I believe the P-51D was nearer to 440 mph).

I see, I just knew the old NA horse had more in her than that lol. The Spiteful pics are a nice find btw. I have always loved the late model Griffon-engined Spitfires with the Bubble canopys so that is sure thing. Anything with a 5 or 6 blade prop is strangely beautiful to me. The Hornet was a performer as well. To bad some of these planes didn't come out a year or two earlier.

too bad for all of them that Frank Whittle and Hans Von Ohain were around