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Why is Socialism so heavily disliked?

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posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 01:38 PM
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um idanno. maybe because it has proven time and time again that its a terrible system.




posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: lydie15

Because socialism presumes that the all-powerful state makes better decisions for me than I can make for myself, all the time, every time.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 02:48 PM
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In the US? It's mostly Pavlov, caused by McCarthy.

Socialism is nothing else than the idea that humans should be treated with dignity, should have the same rights and should help each other. Nothing wrong with that.

The wrong comes from perverts that turn it into a dogma. And then take away your dignity, reduce your rights and refuse to help you, all in the name of "socialism". That's not socialism - that's terror.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 02:53 PM
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Or another way to look at it:

Dewey and his cohort got ahold of the public education process and likened it to a factory process where workers shaped the product.

The teachers in this case were the workers taught the process whereby the product (children) were to be shaped en masse (like any assembly line product) for future purpose. Whatever the purpose should be, that was the process taught the teacher. The individual children mattered not at all. They were simply clay to be molded or broken and cast aside.

This is how the socialist state views the citizen. We are simply product, raw numbers to be shaped by the factory worker (bureaucrat) to keep the machinery of the state itself running. Plug some in here. Shape others there. One is like another, and our individual needs, desires and wants are immaterial and there is no latitude for us to try to pursue those on our own.

You can argue that capitalism is much the same for business, but at least you can own your own outcome, pursue your own ends because you are allowed to have your own property. The state in true socialism does not allow you that.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: ketsukoThis is how the socialist state views the citizen. We are simply product, raw numbers to be shaped by the factory worker (bureaucrat) to keep the machinery of the state itself running. Plug some in here. Shape others there. One is like another, and our individual needs, desires and wants are immaterial and there is no latitude for us to try to pursue those on our own.


That, dear Sir, is exactly what I mean when I say that perverts turn it into a dogma. And then take away your dignity, reduce your rights and refuse to help you, all in the name of "socialism". That's not socialism - that's terror.

Socialism does not assume that all are THE SAME. It merely assumes that all hav THE SAME RIGHTS. So, when whatever State denies you the right to be an individual, to make individual choices (though within the limits of dignity, solidarity and justice) it can NOT be a Socialist state. It's a perversion.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg
a reply to: lydie15

In the US? It's mostly Pavlov, caused by McCarthy.

Socialism is nothing else than the idea that humans should be treated with dignity, should have the same rights and should help each other. Nothing wrong with that.

The wrong comes from perverts that turn it into a dogma. And then take away your dignity, reduce your rights and refuse to help you, all in the name of "socialism". That's not socialism - that's terror.


Ivan Pavlov

A great example of controlled opposition.




posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: ForteanOrg

Then all socialist states are tyrannies.

A true socialist state owns everything and makes all decisions. Look it up. The means of production belong to the state and it distributes as it sees fit.

I have no right to make my own decision outside the purview of the state apparatus. Even in country who only has socialist system in certain sectors, it is sometimes illegal to seek outside those sectors. Therefore, I am denied my right of choice. Therefore, by your own admission those things are tyrannical.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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Maybe the problem is that we see political or economic systems as black and white.
Socialism isn't only about paying for others and Capitalism isn't only about stealing from poor peoples.

Maybe the smart way of thinking about it is to use the best parts of all ideas and start thinking about a new way of seeing economics and politics.

We pay taxes in every systems and in every countries anyway.

How should we use that money is the main question.

Canada isn't a communist or a socialist country.
But they decided that taxes should pay for health care.
is it normal that someone that have less money should die younger because of it?

Is money more important than life itself?

Money is a creation of manking and should not be a way to decide who should live or die.

Money should be use to help the civilisation to evolve.

Aren't we regressing as a civilisation by splitting humans into different categories?

The way the system work right now is a parody of Capitalism.
True capitalism is a great way to evolve as a civilisation but when the whole market belongs to a couple of entities, the whole market isn't free anymore as capitalism should be.

It's no longer a way to evolve as a civilisation when someone cannot sell a better product because he face a giant that will break him before he have the time to show it to the people.
It's close to a monopoly, and monopoly is the main flaw of communism.

So right now we live closer to communism than true capitalism.

The whole point is that the money you make is put in banks and that banks use it to make profits but they don't have to pay taxes for it. (or so little)
How come should we pay 40-50% of our salaries in taxes and the one that makes profits with our money doesn't pay 40-50% of that money in taxes?
How come large corporations don't pay as much as we do for the profits they make every years?

How much money could we generate every years in taxes if everybody was paying equally?

What could we collectivelly do with that money?


It seems to me that the one demonizing the idea of socialism are the same that profits of our lack of knowledge of how economics works.




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posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 03:45 PM
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Even in country who only has socialist system in certain sectors, it is sometimes illegal to seek outside those sectors.


Could you provide an example?



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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Wha...?


originally posted by: ForteanOrg
Socialism is nothing else than the idea that humans should be treated with dignity,


...yet lack thing like personal property, liberty, freedom of speech, etc. We'd all be equally miserable in our 'dignity.'


should have the same rights


And less of them.


and should help each other.


No, that is charity and altruism.


The wrong comes from perverts that turn it into a dogma. And then take away your dignity, reduce your rights and refuse to help you, all in the name of "socialism". That's not socialism - that's terror.


Socialism *is* a dogma. It is an economic and governing theory that a centralized state knows what is best for everyone of its citizens and will ration out their needs. It collapses in on itself as it cannot keep pace with the human need to improve ourselves, push against boundaries, seek honest reward for hard work.

Socialism only works if all citizens are drones who follow orders without question and have no personal motivation to achieve anything more than status quo. It is a cancer to the human spirit.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic


This is for everyone.

Socialism is exactly like a theocracy.

And who wants to live under a theocracy?



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: Azureblue

This is exactly how I feel about Socialism. In my opinion, it will create jobs more than lose jobs.

Are you in Australia? Because that's where I am and in the GFC we were given a bonus to stimulate the economy etc. I do feel like over here people are very anti-socialist, which sucks. Except for those in Universities - which makes me think that if those who research and study politics enough to form substantially large University groups supporting Socialism, which are quite popular in members, then why is Socialism not a more common talk of the general public? I genuinely believe it's those involved in corporate companies etc. That are trying to bring Socialism down to be an extreme economic form (such as likening it to Communism) , to scare people away from even considering the thought.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

I'm in Australia though. Apart from what I've seen at University, the general public dislikes any form of Socialism, which is interesting because the system we have in place now is definitely not working, and most people do have Socialist-like beliefs but refuse to use the label of it being 'Socialist'.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko



Even in country who only has socialist system in certain sectors, it is sometimes illegal to seek outside those sectors.


Could you provide an example?


Technically, in Canada.


Under federal law, private clinics are not legally allowed to provide services covered by the Canada Health Act. Regardless of this legal issue, many do offer such services.


Just because they don't follow their own laws up there doesn't mean the laws don't exist. I am guessing they quickly discovered that it didn't work if they didn't allow people to operate outside the law and offer some of those services.


The advantage of private clinics is that they typically offer services with reduced wait times compared to the public health care system. For example, obtaining an MRI scan in a hospital could require a waiting period of months, whereas it could be obtained much faster in a private clinic.

Private clinics are a subject of controversy, as some feel that their existence unbalances the health care system and favors treatments to those with higher incomes.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: NoNameAtAll

What could we collectivelly do with that money?


Study the effects of longtime methane exposure in the endangered cow dung beatle?



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Actually, Sir, you don't have any right at all to make your own decision - if it conflicts with the State. The State is the sum of all people - and you can't - nor should you - go against all people. This is exactly how the US is run (or any other State) - you can't go against the will of the majority of the people.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg

- you can't go against the will of the majority of the people.


Obama has been doing that for more than 5 years already.




posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: ForteanOrg

I see.

And if the majority of people decides that a segment of the population needs to die for the good of the rest?



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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The US economically is very socialist with all the financial grants, welfare, low income housing and food stamps. What changes could be made to make it more socialist? That's what I'm wondering. Completely free education? Is that it? Free universal health care? Those two and we would definitely be socialist. But then we have to pay more in taxes than we already pay. I make very little but between state and federal taxes, property tax, sales tax, I almost can't afford to work and pay my bills.



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: lydie15

Please OP, take a moment to watch this YouTube video:



It should provide all of the answers you should need.

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