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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: RomeByFire
You do realize the Russian communist bolsheviks were officially democratic socialists, right?
However, contrary to Western usage, these states do not describe themselves as "communist" nor do they claim to have achieved communism; they refer to themselves as Socialist states or Workers' states that are in the process of constructing socialism.[
However, communist states are criticized as being effectively one-party dictatorships, with totalitarian control of the economy and society and repression of civil liberties, economic focus on heavy industry at the expense of consumer goods, sometimes resulting in shortages of vital products or even famine, and militarism, censorship, and propaganda to cover up the mistakes of the government
And given they operate in secrecy and by infiltration, they sure aren't going to announce their arrival.
Democratic Socialism DOES NOT do away with free markets. There's still money, still personal private property, still have the ability to get rich, still the possibility that you fall flat on your face if you don't work hard or just survive if you choose to do the menial or under valued.
democratic socialists see capitalism as inherently incompatible with the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and believe that the issues inherent to capitalism can only be solved by superseding private ownership with some form of social ownership. Ultimately democratic socialists believe that reforms aimed at addressing the economic contradictions of capitalism will only cause more problems to emerge elsewhere in the economy, that capitalism can never be sufficiently "humanized", and that it must therefore ultimately be replaced with socialism