Human carbon release rate is unprecedented in the past 66 million years of Earth's history

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ya I posted those a page or so back, doesn't matter apparently. You can post all you want, all you will receive is the usual scoff calling it bs and then some sentence or two about how the know the truth and when something finally is posted it flies in the face of what they have been saying.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ya I posted those a page or so back, doesn't matter apparently. You can post all you want, all you will receive is the usual scoff calling it bs and then some sentence or two about how the know the truth and when something finally is posted it flies in the face of what they have been saying.

Par for the course with these threads. I debated not even posting that and just moving on actually.

a reply to: Sremmos80

stuff

It's not like the information is hidden. As soon as they propose a solution that doesn't involve my wallet I'll start paying far more attention.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

Did you happen to read any of those links?

a reply to: Ksihkehe

So you've recognized that we have a problem? That is a good first step?

You feel that you don't want/need to do anything because the solutions might cost money?

The amount it will.cost society in the long run will.be much more than short term investments that are aimed at preserving this planet and her ability to maintain human life.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Ksihkehe

So you've recognized that we have a problem?

The problem has been proclaimed.

No, I don't see a problem with the climate. Only a problem with commie totalitarian government.

Warmer is better, healthier, and more prosperous.

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

Warmer is better, healthier, and more prosperous.

Except when it causes water levels to rise, thus reducing available land space to live on. It's not like THAT'S a precious resource that is harder and harder to come by or anything right?

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Ksihkehe

So you've recognized that we have a problem? That is a good first step?

You feel that you don't want/need to do anything because the solutions might cost money?

The amount it will.cost society in the long run will.be much more than short term investments that are aimed at preserving this planet and her ability to maintain human life.

MAybe its our fate to die out ever think o f that? SO if global warming kills us all so be it. personally i think its just a scheme for more control over people but hey what do I know right?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

Warmer is better, healthier, and more prosperous.

Except when it causes water levels to rise, thus reducing available land space to live on. It's not like THAT'S a precious resource that is harder and harder to come by or anything right?

Hasn't happened. Didn't happen in the Roman Climatic Optimum or in the Medival Warm Period. Both of those warm times were boom times for civilization.

AGW is the only plausible vehicle for totalitarian government. That is everything truthful about AGW. Runaway Gov power is a million times more dangerous than CO2 warming.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

Warmer is better, healthier, and more prosperous.

Except when it causes water levels to rise, thus reducing available land space to live on. It's not like THAT'S a precious resource that is harder and harder to come by or anything right?

Haven't water levels always risen then receded? I seem to remember reading that Texas was once mostly under water. Just because mankind chose to build their cities near the coast does not mean Mother Nature is going to make concessions for that decision. She does her thing whether humans are in the way or not, and she does them in her own time. And her schedule is not coordinated with our schedule.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't all be doing our part to keep our environment clean. But, it doesn't mean we should pour tax money into "green energy" fiascos that only serve to line the pockets of crony companies and their pet politicians.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

global warming has slowed but out climate models are wrong

me thinks that s a fair rebuttal. YEs i know Daily mail but put that aside and read the article.

Here is a new study that evaluates the accuracy of climate models:

D.Kutsoyiannis,N.Mamassis,A.Christofides,A.Efstratiadis,􀈱S.M.􀈱Papalexiou
Department of Water Resources and Environmental Engineering National Technical University of Athens
(www.itia.ntua.gr)

www.itia.ntua.gr...

Or to sum up the study:

"Climatic models generally fail to reproduce the long term changes on temperature and precipitation."

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Ksihkehe

Did you happen to read any of those links?

A few. There is no way you can read all the information and conclude anthropogenic global warming is certain. It's about money and control.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

Sure for governments/power structure that is true for a big part but listen to the climate scientists, they tell how bad things are (that is if they dare since they get death treats and such from people blaming them for higher taxes and such).

And yes governments often come with solutions like more taxes, so see it's all about economics but that doesn't mean the scientists are wrong it just means our governments ain't the solution for this problem.

Some things that would help is like to forbid meat, the meat production is a very very big co2 contributor... of course they won't do this because this would be very very bad economical...
The economy must always grow to support the growing debt problems. So for our governments the economy is number 1. So when the economy grows and since each year there are more people, more consumption, more livestock and such; that means more co2.
So from the looks from it and just looking at the numbers, each year we still got more co2 going in the atmosphere even while governments are ''doing more'' fighting it (so they say...). Also from what I know we already went 2 far/2 late, to stop this great danger. At 1 point you can't stop the out of control climate change.
So we must have some kind of ''Manhattan project'' / some kind of ''pentagon'' where the best scientist try to find a solution for getting this co2 out of our atmosphere or some other kind of solution with massive fundings from country's all over the world.

Just look how much money they use for wars... sad stuff.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Ksihkehe

So you've recognized that we have a problem? That is a good first step?

You feel that you don't want/need to do anything because the solutions might cost money?

The amount it will.cost society in the long run will.be much more than short term investments that are aimed at preserving this planet and her ability to maintain human life.

The short term costs are all directed to those who are connected to politicians. It's not about solutions, it's about somebody making money.

www.politicususa.com...

Funny how this part gets left out when we are talking about who stands to make the greenbacks in this discussion.

We talk about money and power while ignoring the guys that really have the money and power.

OP, don't even waste your energy here. ATS can't seem to get off the conspiracy bandwagon for this issue. The AGW denial conspiracy was cute for a few years, but the science is so strong now that even the most hardcore conspiracy theorists should have realized the truth by now. We've got a real problem; we are constantly producing CO2 at an alarming rate, there are no signs that we are going to stop any time soon, and yes... CO2 affects our atmosphere and climate (this is a scientific fact). For some reason the conspiracy theorist are so hung up on the "tax money grab" conspiracy that they are being blind sided by one of the largest issues in human history, a somewhat silent and deadly E.L.E..

OP, I'm sorry to say that it has already been calculated that even if we stop excessive CO2 production 100% today, it's too late. The somewhat good news is that it will be a very slow death for humans... So you may have a chance to survive if you play your cards right.

It will all start with extreme shifts in weather patterns (this has started) and climate. Places that were once perfect for growing crops (where farms have existed for years) will no longer be suitable for growing, and a large scale food shortage will begin. This will cause food prices to rise, and poverty to rise, and deaths to rise... famine.. war. This will destroy some food industries, and could collapse the economy. This is when people will be praising companies like Monsanto with their genetically altered plants to survive certain climates. This will be the first sign.

Oh wait... the first sign already started...
www.theguardian.com...


I don't really even want to talk about how the next sign will be water shortages and droughts....

www.theguardian.com...

Yes, slow deaths are afoot for a large sum of people. Might as well start to prepare now.

Now expect the fearful to cower under their safety blankets and proclaim "doom porn!" because it makes them feel better. I wish this was just doom porn, I really do. Well, take care all, I'm going to go for a drive in my 5.3L V8 truck in an attempt to speed up this slow death.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

So you choose to ignore the observations, ignore the science and instead come up with a guano psychosis theory that this is all a plot to make the world a 'commie totalitarian government.'

It seems like you have the kind of mentality that thinks smoking cigs is ok because you believe the scientists that tell us that smoking is unhealthy are a bunch of commie control freaks.

I'm just ashamed I have to share this planet with so many who not only disrespect the planet, but come up with insane justifications for why disrespecting and destroying this planet is okay.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Semicollegiate

So you choose to ignore the observations, ignore the science and instead come up with a guano psychosis theory that this is all a plot to make the world a 'commie totalitarian government.'

It seems like you have the kind of mentality that thinks smoking cigs is ok because you believe the scientists that tell us that smoking is unhealthy are a bunch of commie control freaks.

I'm just ashamed I have to share this planet with so many who not only disrespect the planet, but come up with insane justifications for why disrespecting and destroying this planet is okay.

This got ignored from page 2

Bigger Image of the Graph

The 'science" is a gov groupie cartoon fan magazine with doom porn.

a reply to: Semicollegiate

So you post a graph that you clearly cant interpret, but will pretend like it some how supports your guano psychosis theory, whatever it may be.

The observations are clear, among many other issues we are seeing a spike in CO2 levels. This already has caused changes to this planet, and will continue to do so.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Semicollegiate

So you post a graph that you clearly cant interpret, but will pretend like it some how supports your guano psychosis theory, whatever it may be.

The observations are clear, among many other issues we are seeing a spike in CO2 levels. This already has caused changes to this planet, and will continue to do so.

The observations are incomplete, manipulated to a political end, and out of context.

The planet changes and will continue to do so.