Boeing 737 from Dubai crashes in southern Russia

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: yuppa

The tail strike may have been completely unrelated to the crash. They could have had a weather related incident, or any number of systems failures. It's far too early to blame anyone.

True,but speculating isnt stating it as fact but i get what you mean.

The crew didn't report any problems prior to the crash. It's reported by at least one source that the last transmission was that he was going to try to land again.

They're reporting six crew on board not seven in some reports, so it's not clear if it was 61 or 62 total. They're also reporting that they circled the airport for as long as two hours prior to their first landing attempt.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I agree, people died and it is sad there is no proof of pilot error to soon.

Winds at the time of the accident were approximately 30 mph, with gusts as high as 50 mph, as well as rain and cloud cover.

The initial landing attempt was at 2231 GMT. They then went into a holding pattern at 2327 GMT, near the airport. It left that holding pattern at 0028, last contact was at 0041 as they attempted to land the second time.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Airplanes are made to fly in high winds! Do you think a 50 mph gust could take down a 737-800?

a reply to: Quantum12

They're designed to fly with high winds, at certain angles. They're only allowed to fly in crosswinds up to a certain speed. And the angle of the wind changes how the crew responds to them. The winds alone wouldn't have caused it no, but they certainly could have been a contributing factor. Like a lot of other things posted at this point, it's just a data point, putting a picture together.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yes I agree but others think the pilot is at fault and it is too early to tell. It is just sad to say over 55 human people died.

We've all seen planes crash while attempting to land. This video depicts a plane, in flames, slamming to the ground at a steep angle. It looks more like how a fighter jet crashes after the pilot has bailed out.

Also, as someone else pointed out in this thread, to see the crash from a distance so clearly, indicates that the weather conditions weren't too bad. Even if they were, the plane wouldn't be in flames and slamming into the ground like that.

There's more to this story. You think some Rich and Powerful people were on this plane? Dubai is a hangout hub for them.

a reply to: carewemust

How are you so sure it was flames, and not simple landing lights and navigation lights? Keep in mind, it is an IR camera...

originally posted by: WeAre0ne
a reply to: carewemust

How are you so sure it was flames, and not simple landing lights and navigation lights? Keep in mind, it is an IR camera...

You're right. Since this is Infrared video, those could have been lights on the plane. But that angle was way too steep for a plane attempting to land.

Was this some isolated airport that only has a couple of flights (or fewer) per hour? If the weather was too bad for this sophisticated plane, you wouldn't expect that other planes landed safely just before this 737's first landing attempt.

a reply to: Zaphod58

tragic news. my condolences

Interestingly enough there seems to be an actual debris field unlike Shanksville.
RT was reporting the plane hit the ground at around 400 KM/H or around 250 MPH.
RIP to those souls that were lost. This is also why I won't fly despite
the fact that statistics prove it's safer than driving.

What if the pilot got shot by a sniper when trying to land? and thats why the angle was wrong? And when the plane crashed and exploded there would be no evidence... The perfecr crime...

a reply to: carewemust

The camera isn't that far from the impact site. The fact that we can see it isn't proof that the weather wasn't that bad. It doesn't take bad weather at all if spatial disorientation was a cause.

According to the METAR it was 100% overcast. The crew was probably tired after the flight, and then holding for a couple hours, and anxious to get on the ground. That's all a recipe for something bad to happen.

Weird angle to land at...

That's all wrong ..
does not look like a landing attempt at all...
looks like something bad happened while preparing to land..
It was falling...

a reply to: Zaphod58

So they are claiming a tail strike caused the fire?

And the plane just continued to circle for two more hours, fanning the flames, as the tail burned away?

Officials believe bad weather, which kept the plane from reattempting landing for more than two hours, likely caused the crash.

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: Tsuro

Not if they were disoriented and thought they were wings level.

Neat experiment to try. Take a chair that has a foot rest, like a computer chair. Take some kind of sick, like a cut down broom stick and tape it to the foot rest. That's your control stick. Blindfold yourself, and get someone to spin you around about 15 times. When they stop you, keep the stick centered without looking. Then stop, stay exactly how you are and have them remove the blindfold.

That's what the crew was dealing with if they didn't pay close attention to their instruments. Yes they're instrument rated, but that doesn't mean they don't make mistakes and couldn't screw up.