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Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
originally posted by: Slanter
I've always wondered if the sensation of being filled with the holy spirit might have something to do with the ASMR effect. Tingling, feelings of euphoria... of course, that doesn't explain people speaking in tongues or gyrating on the floor, but those sorts of spiritual outbursts aren't unusual even for African and Central american tribes, hell some voodoo practitioners go into trances or gyrate randomly on the floor after encountering voodoo spirits.
In all likelyhood the sensation of the holy spirit is something non-relateable, like asking someone what the color blue looks like.
originally posted by: Azzezza
a reply to: Ruiner1978
The Holy Spirit, I honestly feel, is available upon request to guide you to the Answers you seek. You must be sincere and have honorable motives, and it may be a journey requiring time, effort and might lead you to places you never dreamed of. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (attributing the Works of the Holy Spirit to the prince of demons, specifically) is the only sin for which there is no forgiveness available to the sinner.
I think that unique aspect of the Holy Spirit makes him the first and superior of the Holy Trinity.
It's because the Holy Spirits the revealer of Truth and pure good.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a bad idea.
originally posted by: Maigret
a reply to: Ruiner1978
I reluctantly attended an AOG luncheon get-together and the speaker, Jean, gave a talk on the Holy Spirit. None of which I can remember, although I am sure I was listening at the time.
Then she got everyone to stand in a semi-circle of people, and as she went around and spoke a few words to each of them, they were going over backwards; I thought to myself ‘They’re faking it!’ but when she came to me, she asked if I wanted to be baptised in the Holy Spirit and I reluctantly agreed. Then she said, ‘He’s coming, he’s coming, he’s here’ and with that I went over backwards.
All I did was lay on the floor, saying the Lord’s Prayer over and over again, as if it was the most beautiful thing in the world! It was! They saw my lips moving and at one stage were prodding me, asking me to speak louder, to see if I was talking in tongues. I wasn’t.
So a couple of weeks later in church, Pastor Wally had everyone who hadn’t spoken in tongues to come up front and had a church member for each of us, praying over us.
Apparently there was a huge lack of people speaking in tongues and there were a number of us standing up there. Pastor stressed that we weren’t to speak in English or Afrikaans because, as he joked, you could only speak one language at a time.
Heila was praying over me and eventually she said, ‘Don’t you want to say anything?’ and I said ‘I do, but in English’ so she told me to go ahead. As I got to asking ‘for the remission of my sins’, I burst into a foreign tongue. Now I’m useless with languages and term myself ‘linguistically dyslexic’ and I don’t know what I was saying but I could feel my mouth and tongue having trouble with the new movements.
I didn’t actually feel any different at the time but with hindsight I can see that I had a new-found love and compassion for my fellowman. My heart literally ached for them and I didn’t see them as I do when I’m in the ‘natural’; as Joyce Meyer would phrase it.
I was only water-baptised sometime after this but in the meantime, I found reading the Bible a delight. Before the Bible had been a closed book to me, I’d tried reading it but it simply didn’t make any sense to me and I’d given up.
For about the next six to nine months I was on a spiritual high; constantly reading my Bible and finding new gems of information. Work was an annoying distraction and I found that I couldn’t concentrate on TV long enough to see a whole movie because it was all so fictitious.
I was getting so much from the Bible and from the spiritual world that I felt like a puppy running amok in a beautifully manicured garden - and I stripped everything that I was getting down to the bare minimum essentials to pass it on.
The Kingdom of God is here, now and all around us – and we CAN enter in! I never did fancy the common cartoon-idea of sitting on a cloud and playing a harp as being a worthwhile spiritual future in heaven. Now I understand that spiritual ecstasy is even better than (dare I say it?) the comparatively fleeting experience of good sex! (Hey, God made both and they’re good!)
It was around this time that I had the experience of God saying that the name of His Son was NOT Jesus. As soon as I got home that afternoon I checked in the dictionary – fortunately it’s a good quality dictionary that also gives the roots of names and words – and there it was;
‘Jesus (jē’zes) 4? B.C. – A.D.29? 1. Son of Mary; founder of Christianity; regarded by Christians as the son of God and the Messiah. Also, in various contexts, “Jesus Christ,” “Christ,” “Christ Jesus,” or “Jesus of Nazareth.” 2. Christian Science. “The highest human corporeal concept of the divine idea” (Mary Baker Eddy). [Late Latin Jēsūs, from Greek Iēsous, from Hebrew yēshūa’, from Yēhōshūa’, Joshua.] [Emphasis mine.]
Only years later did I find absolute confirmation of this at: www.nehemiaswall.com...
Ruiner 1978, you KNOW in your gut when you've had a truly religious epiphany, although that feeling fades with time as you get used to the idea or experience, it does not in any way diminish the truth of what was revealed or what happened to you - so hold to that!
originally posted by: Ruiner1978
Could you elaborate on the blasphemy of The Holy Spirit a bit for me? I've read that passage and not been able to get my head round it. What is meant by attributing it's works to the devil? How does someone do that? Could you give me a short narrative as an example? And why is it so unforgivable?
And I think this is it which is called the sin against the Holy Ghost, when men will not be convinced by miracles, that Jesus is the Christ…
The sense of the place (which the whole context will show you, if you view it deliberately, will show you) seems to me to be this: as if Christ had said; while you believed not the testimony of the prophets, yet there was hope; the testimony of John the Baptist might have convinced you; yea, when you believed not John, you might have been convinced by my own doctrine; yea though you did not believe my doctrine, yet there was hope you might have been convinced by my miracles.
But when you accuse them to be the works of Beelzebub, and ascribe the work of the divine power, or Spirit, to the prince of devils, what more hope?...
I will after my ascension send the Holy Ghost upon my disciples, that they may work miracles to convince the world; but if you sin against the Holy Ghost (that is, they will not believe for all these miracles)… there is no other more convincing testimony left, and so their sin of unbelief is incurable, and consequently unpardonable.
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
Depends on what you mean by the holy spirit.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
originally posted by: Ruiner1978
Could you elaborate on the blasphemy of The Holy Spirit a bit for me? I've read that passage and not been able to get my head round it. What is meant by attributing it's works to the devil? How does someone do that? Could you give me a short narrative as an example? And why is it so unforgivable?
Azzezza is not going to reply to this, because he's just been banned (he keeps getting banned and coming back, and he's not really a sound guide on Christian matters).
The point of the gospel passage is that God was doing something right in front of their eyes, working through Jesus, and the Pharisees suggested that Beelzebub was doing it. So they were looking at God at work, and calling God evil. That's what made it an extreme offence.
I recently extracted this passage from an old author, for use in a future thread;
And I think this is it which is called the sin against the Holy Ghost, when men will not be convinced by miracles, that Jesus is the Christ…
The sense of the place (which the whole context will show you, if you view it deliberately, will show you) seems to me to be this: as if Christ had said; while you believed not the testimony of the prophets, yet there was hope; the testimony of John the Baptist might have convinced you; yea, when you believed not John, you might have been convinced by my own doctrine; yea though you did not believe my doctrine, yet there was hope you might have been convinced by my miracles.
But when you accuse them to be the works of Beelzebub, and ascribe the work of the divine power, or Spirit, to the prince of devils, what more hope?...
I will after my ascension send the Holy Ghost upon my disciples, that they may work miracles to convince the world; but if you sin against the Holy Ghost (that is, they will not believe for all these miracles)… there is no other more convincing testimony left, and so their sin of unbelief is incurable, and consequently unpardonable.
Richard Baxter, “The Saints’ Everlasting Rest” (1650), Second Part, ch4.