The Winter That Wasn't; Bad things are bound to start happening..........

An office debate over climate change lead me to this article that I found interesting and wanted to shaer w/ATS. I remember in the 90's Rush Limbaugh, (cough, cough) was adamant about the fact that 'global warming" was not 'real'.

Well, here we are twenty plus years later and, whala~ we've (in my part of the country) have not had any real winters in several years. Yes, we get the 'seldom' snow falls, but for the most part, mehyyyy... It was 85 degrees here on Monday.

Anyway back on topic, the article goes on to advise that this summer will be the hottest on record; it goes on to comment on El Nino~ My hopes are that some of our weather members will chime in and give feedback.

This particular El Nino cycle is releasing huge stores of heat, and unleashing things that were previously unheard of in some parts of the world. It was responsible for tropical cyclones in places that had never experienced them before, where the population wasn't prepared. Hurricane Winston, for example, a Category 5 storm hit Fiji and wiped out a significant portion of the island nation's infrastructure. Entire villages were destroyed, along with roughly 10 percent of the country's gross domestic product (GDP). If there was a Category 6 (there isn't), then Winston might have been one.

What does all this mean? In practical terms, it means the Arctic region saw temperature spikes as much as 18 degrees Fahrenheit above normal during its "winter" season. It means the northern hemisphere had no winter, so they had to truck snow in for the Iditarod race in Alaska. It means that the allergy season has already started in parts of the United States – in February.

But, in the bigger picture, it means (quite ominously) that world and business leaders who are mostly ignoring the problem and hoping that they can wait 10 or 20 years to "deal" with climate change may be very, very wrong. Things could go badly, quite quickly, when feedback loops start to cross wires and systemic changes in one part of the world start to dramatically affect other parts of the world.

Take the Arctic. It's almost unheard of to see temperatures there so far above normal in the winter. What happens in the Arctic doesn't just stay in the Arctic. It isn't only about polar bears, and whether they're now in real jeopardy (they are). It's more like leaving your refrigerator door open, turning off the air conditioning in your house, and then leaving for summer vacation. All the ice melts, floods your kitchen and short-circuits the wiring in the basement.

Or take the jet stream, which has been stable for hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years. With soaring temperatures in and around the Arctic, the jet stream that holds cold air in and causes changes in the weather in the northern hemisphere may now be both wobbly and unpredictable. An unstable jet stream may usher in mega-storms, or mega-droughts, or mega-God-only-knows-what./

Global Warming Warning

edit on 16-3-2016 by ReadLeader because: sa

Eh, we had one of those before. It was warmish all winter; then it was hot all summer. Then the winter after that was brutal with tons of snow.

It's called weather. It changes. This year, we had a strong El Nino, so it should be expected.

a reply to: ReadLeader

Yeah, I think something bad this way comes....

a reply to: ketsuko

My concern are those dang bugs, ticks, etc. We need a good week of below freezing to kill all the pests

We have actually seen mosquitoes all winter; we saw monarchs in January; the robins are as fat as pigeons in February and it seems like all of the creatures are discombobulated.


Thanks for posting Ket!

Lol funny, this year was a lovely break from last year. Last year it was FREEEEZING from October-near summer! Everything was miserable and full of ice. Summer was also rather cool. This winter was much milder, though we still got lots of snow, 3+ feet one day, you may have heard of the winter storm that occurred. Though knowing the weather here (these changes happen every few years) this summer will be absolutely miserably hot followed by another devastatingly frozen winter. AH well, weather.

a reply to: ReadLeader
You mean to tell me that I won't have to shovel a 34 inch single snowfall next winter? Because I had to do that in this 'winter that never was'.
How about my heating bill? Are you telling me that I won't pay $2,400 to heat the house for 3 months of a nonexistent winter.
I say praise be.

We had a winter, it wasn't quite as bad as some winter, but it was winter. All the storms seemed to go south of us. Thank god, I just bought a plow truck and I didn't need to use my snowblower on the tractor.

Heiki Lunta is still on tour. I told him to make sure they spread snow all over the place so they could start fixing the stupid wipers on cars that keep getting iced up and don't work. That is the only way they will ever return them back to the way they were, they used to be easy to clean the ice off of but now they are a pain in the a$$ because they don't want to see them and bury them in places ice builds up around them.

See, I have a little pull with Heiki Lunta.

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: ketsuko

My concern are those dang bugs, ticks, etc. We need a good week of below freezing to kill all the pests

We have actually seen mosquitoes all winter; we saw monarchs in January; the robins are as fat as pigeons in February and it seems like all of the creatures are discombobulated.


Thanks for posting Ket!

Yeah, that year I mentioned where it was warmish? We had all those problems then, too. I also recall all my flowers were about a month early.

The winter after was bad for disease if I remember right, too.

a reply to: rickymouse

Yes! We had storms in our area this winter, but the all went either south or north. If they went south, they were ice. If they went north, it was big snow.

But we barely got any precip here - a little snow, some ice.

So it's not like it wasn't cold, but we didn't have the nasty deep freezes of the past few winters at all. We didn't even have to pull out the electric blanket.

I think people need to calm down and get a sense of proportion.

Even the IPCC in AR5 2013 acknowledged that the earth had only warmed at the rate of 0.05C/decade over the last 15 years despite humans emitting 30% of all their CO2 since 1850.

Then we have one hot El Nino and everyone starts freaking out about global warming. It's ridiculous.

originally posted by: Nathan-D
I think people need to calm down and get a sense of proportion.

Even the IPCC themselves in AR5 2013 acknowledged that the earth had only warmed at the rate 0.05C/decade over the lst 15 years despite humans emitting 30% of all their CO2 since 1850.

Then we have one hot El Nino and everyone starts freaking out about global warming. It's ridiculous.

That was inevitable. The Global Warming crowd have been waiting for a strong El Nino for about 15 years now. The key is to see what happens after it.

Does the climate cool back off relatively quickly? Or do we stay at this new plateau?

Usually, an El Nino of this strength is followed up by a strong La Nina which tends to undo most of what it did within a year or three, so we'll see.

We used to have snow here every winter, below freezing temps. .. but the last couple of years we saw less and less, until this year, well, we just didn't have winter, it seemed!

I was secretly pleased- I'm a California native and though I like skiing, living and working in snow sucks.

So... it's been beautiful, fruit trees blossomed end of January, and then today, this-



That was a couple of hours ago, in front of my house. It is still falling so heavily, I can't find my car anymore, and I'm dealing with a mini emergency because I am stuck up here and my son won't be finishing work until around midnight, with no way to get up here.

It's insane. The weather is backward, the fruit will be screwed for this year, I guess.

Go back to sleep. There is no reason to be concerned. It is just the normal cycle of weather. Every thing is fine. It used to be cold and now it's getting warmer. It used to be warmer and now it's getting colder. All those scientists are in on the plot to deceive us. These few scientists who deny it are the only honest scientists.

It's all a false flag to get us to buy into it as hand over our hard earned money to carbon schemes. Al Gore is a self serving moron, see him flying around in jets? Our weather patterns have always been tumultuous. Killer storms are normal it is just that the MSM is focusing on them now to scare us into submission. It's all part of the socialist agenda.

Did I leave anything out? Oh yeah, I forgot to repeat it over and over and over.

a reply to: Bluesma

It's insane. The weather is backward, the fruit will be screwed for this year, I guess.

Not to worry. Donald Trump will promise to fix it and more people will turn to him to save us.

Eh, Colorado had its biggest snow hit the front range cities since '97 this winter. Since then it has been pretty warm however. Still took 2 weeks for the snow to melt. I shoveled like 12 times in 3 days. The sledding was awesome! I hope winter stays.

We have only been recording data for so long and the world has been around a very long time.. I seem to recall a time where everything was frozen even! Imagine that. I wonder what the people who lived during ice age periods must have thought when the world started to warm up. Probably had all kinds of crazy theories about having disappointed the climate Gods. And now have TV/internet so every little change or year where things aren't average, the whole world freaks out lol

a reply to: ketsuko

Eh, we had one of those before

I dont know what your definition of 'eh' is but it doesn't match my observations-and i've lived in the same region for 23 years.

When I was in high school you could you set your clock to the afternoon storms-now there is no summer. I've worked in 110+ Fahrenheit temperatures and now the temperate is pleasant-not that anyone is complaining. Excessive rain is ruining crops one year and a drought plagues it the next. I've seen the dramatic swing in climate first hand and I'd bet that the farmers and fruit growers will say the same thing.

I'm anticipating another 'well climate change has happened before' response and the indecipherable graphs that follow. From where I am sitting the climate is changing and the speed of the change is frightening.

When every volcano erupts on this planet as in Revelation 16:10, there is going to be so much volcanic ash in the atmosphere that people can kiss good bye to the sun.

Then global warming will be the only thing keeping people warm.

After the last major volcanic eruptions with Kractatoa and Iceland in 1661 (est) we all know what happened next when crops throughout Europe failed, Finland lost a third of its population via starvation and evil French froggy queeny said 'Eat Cake'. Well that was a PR disaster wasn't it ? LOL

Winter is coming...

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Gotta throw in the buzzwords of cap and trade and talk about how since it is cold in one place that that means no where else can be warmer. Or that it is really just volcanos causing all this despite what can measured.
Or my personal favorite that if we try and switch to alt energy people are going to freeze to death because they won't be able to get enough heat with what they seem to think will be a hamster on a wheel powering things.
Oh and the jobs! We can't do it because we will put to many people out of work and that is just some clowered-piven trick.