Has anybody here left the US?

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
The essiest way to move to canada is to find a job that will sponser you, in my town we have tons of europeans, americans, philipinos that get work contract and immigrate here, there is tons of jobs in the service industrie, plumbers,elctricians, mechanics.

What? You mean not just anyone can waltz in?????

a reply to: sociolpath

I just have a really bad feeling about USA and the coming future it seems to be getting worse underneath the surface daily, yet the majority of people don't see it or understand it because they are surfaced.

I wish you luck friend.
I hope you understand that that which bodes ill for the U.S., bodes ill for everyone, especially for countries like Ecuador, unfortunately.

a reply to: seeker1963

We do have illegal immigrants, but i dont think its on par with the us.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
The essiest way to move to canada is to find a job that will sponser you, in my town we have tons of europeans, americans, philipinos that get work contract and immigrate here, there is tons of jobs in the service industrie, plumbers,elctricians, mechanics.

I have several neighbors that started by working in Canada (am 20 min from the border). Then they moved there, it seems easier once you are working there.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: olaru12

Anyone that wants to help fund my move back, please u2u me.

You do realize how funny that is, don't you?

yeah, it was tongue in cheek, just to rub it in for the Nationalist.

I can well afford to go back on my own and work from my laptop on the beach. Gotta love the cyber world.

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It's a big wide wonderful world out there....!

a reply to: sociolpath

Its true that it may be hard after leaving to see how "good" we have it in north america, but its all depending on what you're willing to sacrifice to make it happen.. I know people who are happily moved to New Zealand and Australia, with another on the way to Panama in the spring on pension, 2 more in Mexico with a child, another who's gone to the UK and even one who went back to Russia.

At the end of the day it depends where your priorities are and what you can afford or make work financially - money is an issue the world over, but everyone just wants to be happy and safe.

As another poster said, if you want to try somewhere not too far from home, the west coast of BC is a beautiful place and i don't plan on removing my family from it anytime soon; though if i was.. i'd look into NZ, AUS, and Panama.

EmBa

It can cost to leave, you'll have to straighten out the financial end before you buy a ticket anywhere. Make sure you have enough to go to whatever country you choose and be able to support yourself for a while before working. Last time I checked, some countries require this (I believe Canada still requires a certain amount of savings in lieu of a secured job. Canadians should be able to confirm/explain better than me, though)

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: sociolpath

I would support you decision to move.

Anyone that doesn't want to be here should go somewhere else so they can learn we don't have it that bad.

I know multiple expats who would beg to differ on that "don't have it that bad here" aspect. Strongly. Listen to a content expat explain their choice, they wouldn't continue to be expats if being one sucked.

originally posted by: Nyiah

I know multiple expats who would beg to differ on that "don't have it that bad here" aspect. Strongly. Listen to a content expat explain their choice, they wouldn't continue to be expats if being one sucked.

Certainly there are those who have done it, and for some it makes complete financial sense where the cost of living is lower and you can rely on your US-earned pensions to enjoy a great standard of living. But the issue for me is how many people who threaten to leave actually do it versus the number of people who threaten to leave and find excuses not to. In most cases I maintain it's an empty threat because people really do not have the skills to survive elsewhere.

There is an international community of free spirits that call no place home. Gypsies, wanderers that value experience more than comfort of a "home". The world has grown smaller with the advent of cyber space. Ex Pat isn't even a good descriptive term. They are free and a subject of my next documentary. Their skills are adaptability, improvisation and a sense of brotherhood and a mobile community that most will never experience.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: sociolpath

I would support you decision to move.

Anyone that doesn't want to be here should go somewhere else so they can learn we don't have it that bad. May I suggest a refuge ridden European nation or perhaps a fine Asian nation like China.

I lived 25 years abroad. We don't have it all that great here in the USofA, either. There are plenty of places I'd rather live than here. T

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I am someone who sold the farm and moved to the 3rd world. I did it mainly for love, though..

The city I live in(Cali) is a cesspool, imo....lots of pollution and disarray. last time I checked it was #5 on the highest homicide rate in the world. Each day I ride my bike to work and wonder if todays the day I get robbed and/or stabbed..

Not exactly ideal, but It would be nice to settle down in a rural, safe place somewhere in S.A.

I'm open to returning to Canada someday as well...I have definitely developed a new appreciation for the homeland..

a reply to: sociolpath

I was born in the USA and love the place.
As some members have pointed out, if you're leaving because of the oppression, be prepared to be on the road for a minute.
Still better than submitting but has downsides, esp. comfort based.

Leaving is properly done without your phone, without saying you're leaving, and without electronics. Avoid being scanned @ a border (yes you can still do that if you want it bad enough). Plan your escape, remember all places are #ty in some ways with variables, and don't subscribe for a birth certificate once you get to the new world.
Re-learn computers.
Appearing to be out of the country is also good.

have any members here left US for another country, which country, and how did it go for you?

Yes

Kosovo (Serbia) was my first destination. Lat-Am is great unless you spook the spooks. Don't go where you say you're going.

Better, I do muse about visiting again some time during or after the thing, but it is good to be out.

If you leave, do the others a solid and do something right (but nothing rash) beforehand like donating all your stuff to salvation army, you know, within the bounds of what ever PRISM determines to be legal. Don't keep any electronics.

No foreign public service will give you any # for it as they're out of jurisdiction and they all know what's up with the usa since 2001, and people would lend a hand/a buck/a room to you and anyone who would help end the current destruction of 1ibrty, find them by being smart and intuitive and open minded. And a tad paranoid. Propaganda says there's nothing going on but there is.

As well I have a theory that American culture is toxic for people with PTSD, it's downright hostile.

I hear you.

Also working instead of PTSD are conscience and natural inclination to man up instead of barking.

Again, I was born in the USA and love the place.
I chose to ride off after public servants with attitude and questionable morals started playing rough and clumsy, blood was spilled, threats were made, masks were worn and tears were shed.
To quote from you:

After some serious consideration I have decided not to share the story, I feel like this might be the worst place to go with it even though I know there would be people on here that would understand and make sense of it, there are too many other eyes watching this place.

One last thing: before you leave, memorize & write a new & carefully selected set of innocuous codewords with a pencil, in a room without phones, computers or other cams, fold the paper, give it to a trusted friend who will burn it after memorizing it silently in another room without phones or computers or other cams and speak about it never.

nvm

a reply to: reldra

Yes there are bunch of different programs to work in canada, visas or work permits.

Dear Americans,

Please stay in America.

Thank you,

The Rest of the World

As far as I know, Ecuador is the new Florida....where the old farts go to retire.

I hear that most of Europe live well and work less hours....but I'd go nuts if I went out in search of a bodega and found someone talking to me with a lisp instead.

Check out Argentina.

originally posted by: Astyanax
Dear Americans,

Please stay in America.

Thank you,

The Rest of the World

What you scared of? Most of those wanting to leave hate everything about the United States. They hate guns, they hate being offended by words, they hate anyone who thinks differently than they do, and OMG, they pretend to love everyone who hates America!


What you worried about?

a reply to: seeker1963

Men like Archie Bunker knew how to keep this place running like clockwork

Because of the Tweedle-Dee(Clinton) or Tweedle-Dumb(Trump) problem?

Get out now! Move to Australia if you can.

We are well on our way to be f#$ked as well, but at least you'll buy yourself some time.

a reply to: sociolpath

I did, Bush second election.

I went to Spain for about 5 years. Fully integrated and all that.

You will not be at home wherever you go. You will always be an American. Maybe you get lucky and find a place that doesnt care. RARE, Everyone mostly is distrusting of people not their own. It takes special people to take you as you are. We have those here BTW. RARE.

It is better to claim your home. The US is big and varied. Trust me, there is an entire city somewhere in the US full of like minded people just like you....

I dont regret leaving. I REALLY dont regret coming back. I never left in spirit. The farther I got, the more American I felt.

I think the same may happen to you. BUT I have met expats who said different. It did feel like they were just out of options though and didnt consider that MAYBE they jumped the gun.