Obamas last 4 years and why we can't afford a continuation with Hillary

Graphs of Obamas so called great recovery


A few comments when I look at these charts

Student Loans - there is an easy fix for this. Make student loans dischargable in bankruptcy. Will immediately cause tuition costs to nosedive, as lenders will only take a risk on people who can repay, and schools will have to lower prices to keep enrolled numbers up. The change in law to not make student loans dischargable is the whole reason prices have skyrocketed the last decade.

Bernie sanders instead wants the government to pay the outrageous tuition rates where colleges are making a fortune instead of trying to understand why the costs have gone up so much.

Food Stamps, Labor Force Participation, and Median Family Income all show the economy is not improving no matter what the democrats try to say.

Labor force participation is the real unemployment rate that should be followed, not the phony unemployment number the media spews. Participation rate is down to the same level it was in the early 70s, when the number of women trying to find work was much lower.

With that said, it is true that some of this is inevitable with technology dispensing with more and more jobs as time goes on. None of the candidates are talking about half the jobs being gone in 20 to 30 years - and they very much should be, although they probably aren't because they have no idea how to handle it.

Federal Debt - Obamas reckless spending increases in healthcare costs, and unwillingness to cut anything is to blame here. This is not remotely sustainable.

Money printing is the fed printing money to buy our bonds and bad loans itself. It's a con game that is a desperate move to try and hide the real state of our economy. It is doomed to fail, if there is any good news, Europe, china, and japan all have the same issues. Well that isn't really good news but we may come out better than them just by comparison.

Healthcare costs - these can be driven down significantly with two changes.

1. Require hospitals, and clinics to show their procedure and testing costs. This will cause real competition and allow people to actually shop around for the best price. As always completion will drive costs down.

2. Allow drugs to be imported from anywhere in the world. There is no reason the US should be forced to pay by far the highest prices for drugs of any nation in the world - again open up competition and make everyone world wide pay their fair share of drug development costs.
I am very pleased to see Trump has listed both of these on his website. Now if he could just mention these in the debate maybe we could actually make some progress on getting healthcare costs reduced.

Trump is a flawed candidate, but we cannot take another 4 years of the Obama economy as these charts clearly show.

a reply to: proximo

I listened to a guest on C2C recently that detailed how the current administration changed formulas and reporting criteria to fudge unemployment figures. I know past administrations have skewed numbers to get the results they seek, but it is the current and next President we are discussing. Besides, I think we're well past the point where yelling "Bush did it!" to justify the WH's sleight of hand.

I don't see how things are going to get better with a continuation of BHO's agenda, which HRC supports without question. Then again, she has a tendency to deceive people.
www.coasttocoastam.com...
johntrumanwolfe.com...

a reply to: proximo

Where did the graph come from?

Sources are good for things like this.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Graphs came from here

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo
a reply to: proximo

I listened to a guest on C2C recently that detailed how the current administration changed formulas and reporting criteria to fudge unemployment figures.

Being on C2C hardly gives anyone credibility.

a reply to: proximo

Well ya that is just the same graph with a zoom feature. Was hoping for some sources of where the numbers came from too.

Or should I just look at that graph and assume it is all on the up and up?

a reply to: [post=20440253]Annee[/post

Did you listen to Wolfe's conclusions and how he arrived at them? Or is it too low brow for you? Information from different sources brings value to most discussions, even when discounted by those with preconceived notions.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: proximo

Well ya that is just the same graph with a zoom feature. Was hoping for some sources of where the numbers came from too.

Or should I just look at that graph and assume it is all on the up and up?

Just studying reality currently will show those graphs actually match very closely our current situation in America. Reality is also a good source for vetting things like this.

a reply to: Boscowashisnamo

The Obama Administration was pleased to announce the unemployment rate had dipped to a 3 year low of 8.3%, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. What's not detailed in this announcement is that this figure is based off U-3, which is comprised of only those actively seeking employment.

The total percentage of groups U-3 through U-5(termed U-6), which includes "discouraged workers", part-time unemployed, and those who have given up seeking employment is reported at 15.1% in the same time frame.
www.bls.gov...

This topic was discussed by author and guest on Coast to Coast, John Truman Wolfe. I thought he did a great job explaining this and many other facets of the troubled economy under the current administration. Even a low brow regular Joe like myself understood his presentation, and didn't need to clean the Whiteout off my laptop screen like usual.

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo
a reply to: [post=20440253]Annee[/post

Did you listen to Wolfe's conclusions and how he arrived at them? Or is it too low brow for you? Information from different sources brings value to most discussions, even when discounted by those with preconceived notions.

I listened to C2C for years. They had a guest that explained the whole system of how unemployment rates are figured. They made it clear the president has nothing to do with those figures.

I suppose we could compare one C2C guest to another.

But, you've already made up your mind who's right.

Is Wolfe, Bruce Wiseman, Scientologist?

So exactly what information is the rather arbitrary "black inequality" is being measured on?

Because your source isn't a source.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Sorry, my reality is not the entire United States, your's isn't either. If you want to claim that by all means, but that is like me claiming to fly.

It is not a good source, a good source is the numbers they are generating the graphs from.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I'm speaking in overall terms, and just looking at the picture of graphs, and knowing how things were going before Obama became our most failed president, the graphs are quite literally close to reality.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

K.
I am sure you are basing that off of your gut feeling and what you read one some website somewhere.
Not sure how you could possibly speak for the 'overall' of anything, are you all over the nation talking to people all over about these issues?

But if you are willing to just look at them, see that you agree with what it is presenting and take it as fact because of that then by all means. Not thinking very critical though.
I wouldn't doubt some of this is factual btw, maybe not completely but some truth to the graphs. But when some one just posts a graph with no source of where the data comes from, my bs meter kicks on.

Budget cutters are dinosaurs. Trump knows that and he will be the biggest socialist of all time.

a reply to: [post=20440365]Annee[/post

You started this dance by shooting the messenger and denigrating guests on C2C as to their credibility. Next you post about another guest(their credibility is accepted by you) that absolves responsibility of reported UE figures by the President, without source.

Bottom line, UE figures touted by the current administration is only a portion of that reported by the BLS. That, to me is a form of deception, a sin of omission. You may disagree with Wolfe's conclusions, but the President only giving partial information instead of the whole is fact.

I made up my mind after listening to Wolfe's presentation, researching the topic further for validation, and agreeing with some of the points of the show. Sounds like your mind was made up prior to your first post. As to Wolfe ascribing to Scientology, I couldn't tell you. Goodnight.

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo
a reply to: [post=20440365]Annee[/post

You started this dance by shooting the messenger and denigrating guests on C2C as to their credibility. Next you post about another guest(their credibility is accepted by you) that absolves responsibility of reported UE figures by the President, without source.

I posted this: "Being on C2C hardly gives anyone credibility".

When does being on any media give credibility?

Show me where I took sides.

Hillary is anti Man/anti Woman/anti anyone who isn't Her. Dangerous, and Very Unlikable if you ask me.

If she gets in, world war 3 will most definately ensue, and why you ask? simply because, Ordinary People have

been stirred enough times, so much so, they could pass for a Martini. The planet is waking up and people are

beginning to remember their heritage. Mainly the civil war era and why their ancestors participated in it.

The World has become a dense and ridiculous place, People instinctively will either stand up and be heard or become 'the herd'.

a reply to: Sremmos80

If you understand reality, and are self aware, can think straight, not intoxicated, then it isn't too hard to realize and accept the mess that Obama has made in regards to every single thing he has done to america. (Not "for" America)

I know and can see clearly that you have a tough time accepting his failure and are living in total denial.. Everyone can see it. It's okay, it happens. The image with the graphs is totally accurate. It represents Obama''s presidency perfectly as well in more ways than one.

Just try and forget about it.

Denial isn't going to make it any less true so why keep fighting?

This thread should read, "what George bush did to the US and its economy in the name of profit and why we should never elect a republican to office ever again"