Are the American people crazy wanting Trump?

originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: interupt42

[There] is a risk to truly Changing the system that it could become even worse, so [there] is some justification to be concerned or have some fear as to what may come when it changes.

His policies are listed in depth on his website. Out of those, which creates the most dangerous changes to the system?

What politician has implemented any of their claimed policies that have been beneficial to the masses?

If you put more faith into their future policies versus past history of their actions than you are surely to be disappointed.

Trump has a history that warrants distrust for the reasons I stated in my previous posts.

a reply to: TheTory

Racism, sexism and religious intolerance hardly constitute politically incorrect speaking.

It amounts to a lot more than just politically incorrectness, it amounts to Trump serving his own agenda.

originally posted by: network dude
I admit, when all this started, I thought “the Donald” was in this for a joke, perhaps a tax break, or even a new reality show. I NEVER thought he was serious. Now, well, it kind of looks like he is going to be the guy on the ballot.

I was like you. I didn't think he was serious. But the more I've watched this campaign, the more I've come to the opinion that I was right, and he is not serious about being the US president, in the way the office was originally meant to operate in our system of government. What I mean by that is the he doesn't want to be president, he wants the power and prestige of having won what everyone said he could not. He wants to be the best. His ego needs the jolt.

So how on Earth are the American people making this decision? What is driving the public at large to want a pompous, arrogant blowhard, over the finely groomed Statesmen that are running against him?

They identify with him. They'd love to stand in front of an adoring crowd and say some of the stuff he says, instead of keeping his opinions about other people in, for the sake of public acceptance. Truth is, a LOT of Americans are just what some other countries stereotype them to be.... pompous, arrogant blowhards. The stereotype exists for a reason.

Perhaps the People are just damn tired of Washington. I know I am.

People certainly are. I am, too. But I don't think grasping the first sideshow that seems "different" from Washington is a good idea. Yeah, get something different, but not one of the people who have benefited from what we dislike so much about Washington!

I sure don’t think Trump has what I consider “Leader of the United States” qualities, but I have to admit, whatever he might bring would be a refreshing change to the status quo.

It may look like it would be "refreshing", but I predict it will be different in a very bad way.

likely, he will get “the talk” once he gets in office. (I have a theory that each president is shown a picture of the guy on the grassy knoll waving with his rifle, and then told to be nice and follow orders)

My husband has voiced that theory many times. I have wondered how Donald would handle "the talk". Because I don't think threatening to sue the gov't or threatening to otherwise make them suffer (which is his M.O.) will work this time. He doesn't realize what he's stepping into...

a reply to: andy06shake

Racism, sexism and religious intolerance hardly constitute politically incorrect speaking.

It amounts to a lot more than just politically incorrectness, it amounts to Trump serving his own agenda.

Politically incorrect speaking hardly constitutes racism, sexism and religious intolerance.

a reply to: interupt42

What politician has implemented any of their claimed policies that have been beneficial to the masses?

If you put more faith into their future policies versus past history of their actions than you are surely to be disappointed.

Trump has a history that warrants distrust for the reasons I stated in my previous posts.

He also has a history of being one of the greatest businessmen and leaders alive, employing close to 25, 000 people. But we'll just forget about that, won't we?

a reply to: TheTory

He also has a history of being one of the greatest businessmen and leaders alive, employing close to 25, 000 people. But we'll just forget about that, won't we? ,

Sure we can ignore that and the fact that he inherited hundreds of millions and entities associated with him have filed for bankruptcy multiple times, and not to mention fraud. Or the fact that people that he has been associated with have painted a nasty picture of him including former business partners and biographer.

Or less just ignore the fact that the real people running this country are the greatest businessmen with dream teams of lawyers in DC.

How well has it been working out for us when the greatest businessmen (lobbyist) in DC have been calling the shots, or do you expect us to accept Hillaries answer that those lobbyist are just wasting Billions annually on something that doesn't work?

Sure lets do that and only look at what we want to see.

There is no such thing as a career politician who is not a great businessman. If they weren't, they wouldn't be able to survive in DC .
Heck they have been conning the people for centuries.

Look at how business savy the GOP republican candidate were. They were so business savy that were able to con the republicans to go against their core ideology and go commie on their arse when they decided to use tax payers money to pick the winner and losers for the bailouts.

a reply to: interupt42

Sure we can ignore that and the fact that he inherited hundreds of millions and entities associated with him have filed for bankruptcy multiple times, and not to mention fraud. Or the fact that people that he has been associated with have painted a nasty picture of him including former business partners and biographer.

Or less just ignore the fact that the real people running this country are the greatest businessmen with dream teams of lawyers in DC.

How well has it been working out for us when the greatest businessmen (lobbyist) in DC have been calling the shots, or do you expect us to accept Hillaries answer that those lobbyist are just wasting Billions annually on something that doesn't work?

Sure lets do that and only look at what we want to see.

There is no such thing as a career politician who is not a great businessman. If they weren't, they wouldn't be able to survive in DC .

So what?

It doesn't require your moral approval when he has a proven track-record of success. America could use a little success.

a reply to: TheTory

So what?

You were the one that brought up the importance of being a great businessman not me.

It doesn't require your moral approval when he has a proven track-record of success.

Never said that he needed my approval, I just don't fall for the B$ either or only look for the positives on a candidate no matter how much I want them to get elected. I try to not lie to myself as much as possible.

America could use a little success.

That we can agree on.

IMO, since the system is so corrupt, I think that electing a trustworthy individual is more important than a wealthy individual who inherited 100's of millions and is successful. Especially since wealthy individual have been running this country for centuries and it has gotten to where we are.

I'm not saying that trump couldn't do good, Actually I have said that their is 50/50 odd on him doing great or completely trashing this country.

However, If you only think that he can and will only do good, then you are clearly looking at only the things you want to fit into your virtual world. With trump their is lot to be concerned for as I mentioned before.

a reply to: interupt42

IMO, since the system is so corrupt, I think that electing a trustworthy individual is more important than a wealthy individual who inherited 100's of millions and is successful. Especially since wealthy individual have been running this country for centuries and it has gotten to where we are.

I'm not saying that trump couldn't do good, Actually I have said that their is 50/50 odd on him doing great or completely trashing this country.

However, If you only think that he can and will only do good, then you are clearly looking at only the things you want to fit into your virtual world. With trump their is lot to be concerned for as I mentioned before.

It is the politicians who are corrupt. You should look into which party in particular has drastically filled its positions with corrupt politicians by a very large and surprising margin, and start there. Not voting for them would drastically decrease the likelihood of corrupt politicians being voted in.

Once again, who cares if Trump inherited money? Who cares if everyone in power has boatloads of money? What to you sounds like a problem sounds to me like envy. They have money because they are good with money. Very few of them are stealing, very few of them are corrupt, very few of them are criminals. In fact, it is the non-rich that commit the majority of crimes.

a reply to: TheTory

It is the politicians who are corrupt

Ahh I see., So in your world the politicians deal only with politicians and not the lobbyist that spend billions annually in lobbying and sponsorships. Ah yeah sure.

You should look into which party

I have its both party. The DNC , GOP , and the MSM are tools of the Oligarch.

Once again, who cares if Trump inherited money? What to you sounds like a problem sounds to me like envy.

Again, it is you that keeps bringing up his success not me. It sounds like to me that you are dazzled by success and money which could explain why you are choosing to overlook valid concerns with him. Wealth doesn't equate to integrity.

I could care less if he was a trillionaire . I just have called out the rosy picture that you have tried to paint of Trump . I hate to tell you but the guy doesn't walk on water and has the same human flaws we have and their is a bit of conflict of interest revolving around him.

In fact, it is the non-rich that commit the majority of crimes.

Arrest records doesn't equate to the reality of who is committing the crime. Are the rich or the non-rich drafting the laws in this country?

I live an area where many CEO retire, I went to school with many of their kids and I can tell you that they committed numerous crimes and even got caught , they just got let go.

While the poor kids were smoking pot they doing coc aine.

People see Trump as an independent successful person. They have seen how he handles employees and business minded people on his tv shows. People think he will clean house in congress and do some good by putting qualified people in positions the president elects and not bought and paid for lickspittles who will do America wrong. Corporations and the World bank own America. We are mercenaries for them, cannon fodder. Our Constitution is being destroyed. Everyone here is losing money and most people in the middle class cant even afford to live even with a two income family. WW3 is about to happen. All the candidates are bought and paid for. We are spiraling out of control as a country. Both political parties are useless. Americans are tired of it. So to many Trump is the only candidate that seems like he will do ANY good for the country. And crazy nice Bernie. But I think most Americans are fed up. So they vote Bernie for free stuff and Trump to make America great again. Because were tired of the two parties.

originally posted by: network dude
I admit, when all this started, I thought “the Donald” was in this for a joke, perhaps a tax break, or even a new reality show. I NEVER thought he was serious. Now, well, it kind of looks like he is going to be the guy on the ballot. So how on Earth are the American people making this decision? What is driving the public at large to want a pompous, arrogant blowhard, over the finely groomed Statesmen that are running against him?
Perhaps the People are just damn tired of Washington. I know I am. I sure don’t think Trump has what I consider “Leader of the United States” qualities, but I have to admit, whatever he might bring would be a refreshing change to the status quo. I doubt he will be the same l loud demanding, demeaning guy he is on stage, and likely, he will get “the talk” once he gets in office. (I have a theory that each president is shown a picture of the guy on the grassy knoll waving with his rifle, and then told to be nice and follow orders)

So the people will get a 4 year trial of what they asked for. Something completely different. The one thing I hope for out of this is a stronger military. Ignorant decisions have been made and our strength has been diminished under the current rule, so that would be nice to see. And I hope to be pleasantly surprised as to how “the Donald” will deal with other world leaders. I think he would do better without his twitter feed.

Blame the get out the vote movements. We've turned politics into entertainment. As many watch these debates as any prime time tv show, they know all the actors involved, the characters they create, and people see it as something of the ultimate reality tv show.

If Trump wins, he'll be our first reality tv star president, and I'm sure he won't be the last.

What we've done to the process, making it a 2 year celebrity laden runup that's a multi billion dollar industry unto itself just to get to the point where you're a candidate is sick And that's when the real thing starts.

Taking politics off of CSPAN and putting them on network/cable TV was the worst move ever made. The debates are out of control, inviting these people as celebrity guests on tv shows is out of control, and honestly... so is their funding. What type of person seriously wants to buy a tshirt with a politicians name on it?

The whole thing is a circus.

10 Simple reasons for supporting Trump.

1. Look at the other viable alternatives. Hillary? (a liar, murderer, and proven track record of foreign policy debacles), Bernie? (a year shy of life expectancy, a socialist who will raise taxes and enable massive unemployment), Cruz or Rubio? (establishment politicians who answer to who pays them).

2. Unlikely he's bought and paid for. Using his own money for campaigning, no Super PACs, etc.

3. Mainstream Media hates him. Enough reason right there. He obviously isn't on the New World Order team.

4. Actual good ideas. The ideas is his book are actually pretty solid, whether you like the guy or not.

5. He's saying what many of us are thinking. I'm way past all this politically correct nonsense. Have been for years, so just nice to see a candidate who shares it. We have real problems, and pretending that certain stereotypical behavior of certain groups doesn't exist or contribute to these problems isn't going to make them go away.

6. He realizes that spending billions to police the world should reap some kind of benefit at the deal table.

7. He knows what tax loopholes exist for the rich, because he's USED them, so he knows how to stop them. Sure, some will say, then why should he? It's because of the next item. Motive.

8. He has a REAL reason to be a successful President. He has a brand and a legacy to protect, so he HAS to succeed. For him, it's simply a moral imperative. A selfish motivation, but I'm more interested in the outcome.

9. While most are extreme (liberal vs conservative), Trump is truly more of a middle road candidate. In the GOP, this has been a weakness, but to the American people, this is a plus.

10. Our enemies will not see him as a pushover. As they do our current President.

I think Trump is appealing to low information voters on the right. Those voters listen to retards like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. That alone, shows you are stupid they are, but those voters are very active and ARE voting and voicing their opinions, showing up at primaries and caucuses.

However the more Trump keeps saying outlandish things and showing his divisiveness, the more he is alienating moderates and high information voters that want real policy platforms.

At first I liked the Idea of Trump, but he's insulting people based on looks and disabilities, saying incredibly moronic things. I even have his book, the Art of the Deal. But when I look deeper, he isn't a great business man and he would be bad for our economy. I like a guy that speaks his mind as much as the next guy, but my drunk neighbor speaks his mind all day long, but I wouldn't want him as president either.

Real leaders lead by example, bring other people up, bring people together, try new ideas, are inspirational. None of that is trump.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

Are the American people crazy wanting Trump?

Yes.

No, they're crazy for going with the status quo

Are the American people crazy wanting Trump?

No more when they wanted 'hope and change' with a dash of dilithium yes we can.

Lets look at it superficial.

Trump is a suspecious "business" guy under audit, as he said himself under the last GOP debate, and he is running for President, and want to abolish the IRS if he gets elected?

You gotta be kidding me?

You really want a 1%'er in the white house, hands on the nukes? The first thing he will do is whitewash his own slate?

You gotta be kidding me?

Do you think he will make lucrative deals for his own company? Its like voting for another Dick Cheney?

You gotta be kidding me?

Rubio mentioned he had foreign labor to build Trump Tower, is true. The guy with the freaking caps saying "Make america great again", are made in china?

You gotta be kidding me?

I guess the american ppl will buy anything these days. Sad !

Go ahead and vote... it doesnt matter imho. Even if YOUR guy/gal wins, they will flip flop as soon as they enter the white house. Just ask Obama.


As some have said, "I dont know who is gonna be the next POTUS, but i do know, it will be the last one!"

No kidding!

Donald Trump = proven track record of success.
Established politicians = proven track record of failure throughout their whole lives.American people are tolerant of people in the public sector, because they are to stupid to be in the private sector. This is why billionaires like Bruce Rauner and Donald Trump have to step in to fix the stupidity of our public sector periodically. Do you really think someone who makes Billions wants to deal with a stupid $100,000.00 a year job if it wasn't that important.

originally posted by: jamespond
a reply to: network dude

When an idiot like George W Bush is elected to run for 2 terms, well, I suppose anything is possible!

somebody that wasnt even born in america can run and win! nothing impresses me at this point.

a reply to: network dude

Many countries hate Trump, It seemed these same countries loved Obama,

The Republican good ole boys hate him,
The Democrats,
The News media

Who else?