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Obama urges Russia to stop bombing 'moderate' rebels in Syria

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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 04:31 AM
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I personally hope Russia rolls up the welcome mat to all those who think they can force a regime change whether overtly or covertly..

It will get REAL interesting if Turkey and the Saudi's launch a campaign into Syria..

It is hard for me to believe even they (or anyone) can be that stupid with Russia owning the skies and the air defense systems they have and are installing .. Iran ground forces and Hezbollah with Russian air support.. The whole covert thingy ain't working to well..




posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 04:32 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Why did Putin say he was supporting the FSA then?

news.vice.com...

Is Russia supporting terrorists then? According to you guys, yes, yes they are....

Woops.




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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 04:36 AM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: markosity1973

Why did Putin say he was supporting the FSA then?

news.vice.com...

Whoops.



I never said that they were not - reread my post and watch the video






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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 04:47 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

It was meant as a general comment, not directly at you.

Hit the wrong reply button.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 04:56 AM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

All good - and the point we both made kinda undermines Obama's claims that Russia is bombing all his 'moderate' rebels.

The real reason they are at loggerheads is because Russia wants to work with the Assad govt, while the USA seems quite happy to let another Libya happen in order to get rid of Assad.




posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 05:03 AM
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The Russian military had been giving weapons, ammunition and air support to the FSA, Putin told an annual Defense Ministry meeting, and helping it with joint operations with regular Syrian forces against Islamist militants.


Assads own forces have been working with them too, it doesn't mean they're not terrorists of the state, it's more a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

You only have to look back to WW2 to see enemies becoming friends for common interests and later becoming enemies, Hitler and Stalin were buddies invading Poland, Hitler knew the threat Stalin posed so attacked first and Stalin became the Allies best buddy until the war was over and then Stalin became the enemy.

We wouldn't even have had a World war 2 had the UK & France aligned with Stalin
Stalin 'planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact'

But that non agreement led to Stalin agreeing to a non aggressive pact with Hitler

Don't think for one moment that because they're working together now against a common enemy they won't be enemies once ISIS has been defeated, just because the FSA is fighting ISIS it doesn't mean they don't have ulterior motives to get a slice of the pie that Syria will likely end up turning into and then turn extremist. Like I said those rebels in Libya started off like the FSA and ultimately turned extremist, a lot of them actually becoming ISIS.

The war against ISIS is focused on Syria yet we're ignoring the fact that ISIS has growing hubs in Libya, Egypt in the Sinai region, Boko Harem, Somalia and the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan, not to mention however many hidden cells implanted in Europe



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 05:12 AM
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Those forces are not FSA but SDF. Mainly just small amount of Sunni Arab fighters and mainly Kurds. Readers seem to be confusing the SDF as the FSA. The FSA arent even barley fighting ISIS.
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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 05:18 AM
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There are no moderate rebels in Syria expect for the Syrian Army and Kurds,


Interesting Freudian slip. It is only a matter of time before there is a military coup in Syria. That's how Assad's dad came to power. After all, Assad created ISIS. If he had listened to the will of the people and stepped down, there would have been no civil war and thus, no power vacuum for ISIS to rush into.

Incidentally, we now know who has been helping ISIS with its oil and gas operations. Russia:


1. George Haswani is a Christian Syrian businessman from Yabrud (a town on the Syrian-Lebanese border, north of Damascus), who formerly served as deputy manager of the refineries in Banias. He studied in Russia, where he established ties with senior figures in the Russian security forces. George Haswani set up a company by the name of HESCO Engineering & Construction Co and, as result of his connections in Russia, obtained licenses to cooperate with Russian oil and gas companies. The company that he headed also imported spare parts for Russia Army vehicles and parts for oil wells. Haswani’s son-in-law, Yousuf Arbash, manages the company’s offices in Russia, where he maintains close ties with Ali Duba, former head of Syrian military intelligence and a senior figure in Hafez Assad’s regime, who has been in Russia for quite some time (All4Syria, September 7, 2014). George Haswani is married to an Alawite woman who has connections with the Assad family (The Syria Observer, March 11, 2015).

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3. The company that Haswani heads is a subcontractor of a Russian company. Together with the Russian company, Haswani has carried out projects in Sudan, Algeria, the UAE and Iraq. The company has also started working with the Russian company on the construction of a gas production site in Palmyra, scheduled to be completed in the second half of 2014. In addition, in June 2014, the Russian company signed a contract with the Syrian regime for the first phase of an irrigation project in northeastern Syria. The deal, worth USD 194 million, is for the construction of a main pumping station near the border with Turkey and Iraq. Haswani was present at the signing of the contract and serves as a subcontractor of the Russian company in the project (All4Syria, September 7, 2014).

4. Haswani’s company operates the Tabqa gas field (in eastern Syria), which was taken over by ISIS in August 2014.Senior figures believe that this field is operated jointly by ISIS operatives and members of the Syrian regime. The Tabqa gas field continues to supply gas to districts of the country controlled by the Syrian regime (Telegraph, March 7, 2015). According to reports in several British newspapers, George Haswani brokered the deal in which Assad and ISIS will share the profits from the Tabqa gas field. A report published recently revealed that the agreement also includes the employment of ISIS operatives and Syrians who are loyal to the regime, who work at the site side by side (Dailycaller.com, March 10, 2015).


acdemocracy.org...

And Assad:

www.ft.com...

Basically, Russia has been bombing its Turkish competitors, not ISIS, and Assad has been fighting Sunnis who oppose his Alawite oligarchy.
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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 05:27 AM
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By your "logic" everyone else is responsible for creating ISIS but the precious US and their bff's Saudi Arabia and Qatar...?

When are you going to wake up man.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 05:29 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: TaleDawn


Basically, Russia has been bombing its Turkish competitors, not ISIS, and Assad has been fighting Sunnis who oppose his Alawite oligarchy.




Bashar al Assad is Protecting Christians in Syria: According to Obama, The Secular Government “Which Guarantees Religious Freedom Has to Go”


www.globalresearch.ca... eedom-has-to-go/5497264

Doesnt sound like an oligarchy to me......




Theater of the absurd: those who support terrorism have initiated –with the blessing of the self proclaimed “international community”– a campaign against the terrorist organizations which they themselves have created.





Even the mainstream media (Daily Telegraph, quoted by Catholic Reporter below) has acknowledged that:

“We should not be blind to the fact that there is a project out there to destroy [Syria's] rich, pluralist, and unbelievably intricate culture and replace it with a monochrome version of Wahhabi Islam”


Read the article, it is rich with tidbits. This war is about trying to erase Christianity from Syria and the middle east in general. Assad'ssecular government gives religious freedom to all and protects by default these Christians in doing so. Is that not something that we here in the west pride ourselves on too?
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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: TaleDawn
Those forces are not FSA but SDF. Mainly just small amount of Sunni Arab fighters and mainly Kurds. Readers seem to be confusing the SDF as the FSA. The FSA arent even barley fighting ISIS.


What you fail to understand is that Obama wants Assad gone. The only force that will prevail is ISIS. The Kurdss are another story altogether

Would ISIS ever honor women warriors like this if they take power? I think not Yes this video is pure propaganda - make of it what you will, but it presents a female batalion ready to fight for their homeland and their freedom. And I see muslim headscarves in there as well as women who are dressed lke here in the west so this is a mixed religion group, not a perversion of Islam like ISIS



People do not seem to understand how much of a rich and functioning society that Syria was / still is where the government is in control. Assad is not liked because he is opposed to America's insane foreign policies.
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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 05:57 AM
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Assad is not liked because he is opposed to America's insane foreign policies.

Thats a secondary reason, the reason the west and its regime gulf dictators want Assad gone is because he refused the Qatari pipeline.




The only force that will prevail is ISIS.

True and with that America would use excuses just to go back to the middle east again all this under the pretexts of national security for the pipelines.

ISIS or whatever you call them arent even real they are nothing more then Islamist fighters and mercenaries. The mercenaries do it for the money and they dont care how many lives they take as long as they take in the cash.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 06:01 AM
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Your sources arent reablie. Your first source is the same source whom have being cheering and urging an military intervention in both countries Libya and Syria. Ace Democracy still sees Libya as a success story.




Russia has been bombing its Turkish competitors

No one in Europe supports or wants Turkey in the EU, unless you prefer a new Ottoman Empire to enslave women again.

As for your claims of Russia bombing its Turkish competitors? oh you mean those Turkman right? who brutally shoot down pilots out of the sky? and almost wanted to kill the second one?



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 06:12 AM
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The whole war is a sham an the USA and it's mates who stirred this up should be dragged to the Hague and charged with crimes against humanity.

This was a small internal conflict that rose up in the Arab spring fever that swept the Middle East and the USA and friends managed to somehow create ISIS, splinter an entire nation into what is today hell on earth. This war is the most unjust one I have ever heard of because it was caused by outside influences stirring it up.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 06:17 AM
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Assad created ISIS.

Your a funny one, ISIS or whatever you prefer to call them started to emerge in Iraq first not Syria, these Islamists are led by former Sunni members whom were loyal to Saddam and his inner circle.

Even Tony Blair the man who went along bush with Iraq seems to disagree with you on that.

Tony Blair is right: without the Iraq war there would be no Islamic State

Tony Blair was grilled by the British house. For the Iraqi war.





If he had listened to the will of the people and stepped down, there would have been no civil war and thus, no power vacuum for ISIS to rush into

Just like how lovely Libya has turned to be? Muammar Gaddafi was forced out and NATO, West tricked the Russians by going along the so called humanitarian action as itself was a disguise as a regime change.

Libya is now a failed state, a power vacuum. Its not a surprise to see Libyans fleeing to Europe because of it, while so many in the western news media had foreseen the intervention by NATO as another success story for NATO.

Your quite wrong if you believe even if Assad was taken out early that, there wouldn't be any power vacuum? the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood were waiting for another Islamic Syrian Uprising.

So dont fool yourself with that nonsense.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 06:24 AM
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Another thing i want to point mate. And its this topic that you said.



It is only a matter of time before there is a military coup in Syria.

Not in a million years, the Syrian Military forces have the highest Morales right now even if your preferred buddies of Turkey and gulf states do attack the Syrian Arab Army or even kurds they would fight to the last Syrian solider.


Your article refers to a source claiming to be someone George Haswani is a Christian Syrian businessman from Yabrud (a town on the Syrian-Lebanese border, north of Damascus) that George has ties towards Saad Harir. What your ace isnt telling you is that.

The Turkish's president son is connected and owns the Turkish oil energy based company firms. Which were the trucks that Russia were bombing.




Russia has enough of oil they would have zero interest if they were buying oil from terrorists who are created by the west. I already told readers here there are so many readers in Europe whom arent believing the same nonsense your spotting out.



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posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 06:28 AM
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The West is obsessed with régime change and ousting Assad.

That plan hasn't met with a resounding success so far.

They need to rethink their game.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 06:33 AM
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Incidentally, we now know who has been helping ISIS with its oil and gas operations. Russia:


I would be looking forward to your explanation for why The Syrian oil has being going through the Turkish border as shown by the Russian military video releases.

Which had being rather very reablie.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 07:19 AM
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originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: DJW001




Incidentally, we now know who has been helping ISIS with its oil and gas operations. Russia:


I would be looking forward to your explanation for why The Syrian oil has being going through the Turkish border as shown by the Russian military video releases.

Which had being rather very reablie.
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Because Iranian ports are essentially blockaded, and if it went out through Russian ports in Syria, there would be no plausible deniability. As it is, Russia can profit from ISIS oil while pointing the finger at Turkey. Of course, this whole operation is being conducted by Russian and Turkish mafias, coordinated by the FSB.



posted on Feb, 15 2016 @ 07:22 AM
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Russia has enough of oil they would have zero interest if they were buying oil from terrorists who are created by the west.


Russia is being sanctioned, remember? They are acting as intermediaries. But just go on relying on RT for your "news."




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