Why it’s unlikely to be a revolution in America…When do we upend the oligarchy?

a reply to: [post=20370320]PhantomOrion[/post

]we need our own Tiananmen Square then things may begin to change. blood is all thats left to motivate america

originally posted by: evenkeel
a reply to: [post=20370320]PhantomOrion[/post

]we need our own Tiananmen Square then things may begin to change. blood is all thats left to motivate america

We can’t do that. They’ll kill us all. That’s just what they want.

We need a Gandhian, King, and Kennedy type revolution.

Violence in this case imo won’t work and would be counterproductive.


At least we have some freedom left to counter bad ideas like neocons, jihadism, and greedy capitalism

a reply to: evenkeel

I often get to thinking and wondering what we as a people can do to make things happen. Obviously there is a need to spread information to the masses. Would it ever work online? What if we went back to good old fashioned fliers? Would boycotting help? Peaceful protesting and sit ins or demonstrations? Advertise the crap out of them so everyone can see?

The ball's gotta get going somehow.Perhaps it already has.

a reply to: PhantomOrion

All good tactics….and are utilized.


Nothing is foolproof and they are fighting back.


Look how they’ve taken over the media and made it a circus.


They’ve put their own disinformation agents all over the place…


Look at the elections….All the candidates are neocon puppets except Trump and Bernie, at least on the surface.


The American people on the whole are the most ignorant in the world and they play on that

you have to convince local law enforcement that the citizenry is not the enemy of the state, and that uncle sam is the terrorist/enemy of the states.
that's what uncle sam/our common enemy is telling local law enforcement agencies that the citizenry is the enemy, and that uncle sam is not the enemy.
we should bastardize him like he did us...
don't give me that us vs. them crap george.

sorry, I got ahead of myself...
there will never be an uprising against uncle sam while our boys in blue fight his battles for him/squashing enemy combatants/peaceful protesters.

a reply to: Willtell

I agree with you.

I believe if things continue to get bad enough, a peaceful revolution could be possible. However all Americans will have to participate to make this possible.

1. Stop paying your taxes.

2. slowly start removing your money out of the Banks.

3. Stop supporting and shopping at big corporate stores.

4. Stop paying for cable, and Satellite TV, no more propaganda media, it will die.

5. Stay home as much as possible, no more dining out or going to movies, nightclubs, shopping Malls. This will start hurting big business.

6. Keep your internet, it is the only way to spread our intentions to the government that we have had enough.

7. Start a new election process in your local county, We The People are looking for politicians that have no ties to the rich.

8. No lobbying allowed in this new process.

9. Do not shop on the internet. use the internet for communications and blogging.

10. If you own property start grown food.

11. Start supporting your local Farmers Markets, buy most of your food at the Farmers Markets.

12. Learn to barter, and use it when possible.

If all Americans will do this, you will start seeing big corporate business collapsing, the banking cartels will start collapsing these corporation will be screaming at the government to do something.

Meanwhile mainstream media will go under, no more propaganda.

What we are trying to do here, is to show our bought and paid for politicians in Washington that THEY don't have the power to control or dictate to We The People any longer, that we have turn our backs against a failed corrupt system that only serves the elite, at the same time we are demonstrating our power by bringing our economy to a screeching stand still.

All the big corporations and Banking in the US will come crashing down financially, while they are screaming to politicians in Washington to do something.

The only answers the government in Washington will be able to tell these corporations is that the American people will not Listen to us anymore.

Do you hear the noise in Washington right now, as the tables have just turned. Our politions would not listen or serve We The People, now it has got their attention.

I call this a Mexican stand off.

If We The People expect some good changes to be made For The People, By The People, then we have to make that happened.

If anyone else has any good idea's what We The People can do please post them.

I believe this is one of the most peaceful ways of protest without leaving your home and no one gets hurt.

a reply to: Willtell

It may not look like it today, but you ARE being helped. Wait until September and see what has happened.

originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: Willtell

It may not look like it today, but you ARE being helped. Wait until September and see what has happened.

That's a little cryptic...can you be more precise

We need all the help we can get


Are we talking aliens...the Russians...

a reply to: NewzNose

Yes, can you please elaborate on this. I do not doubt but would like to know.

a reply to: Willtell
Apart from anything else, a revolution needs a clear boundary line between those who are in the elite and those who are not, so that one can rebel against the other.
That was part of the situation in 1776, 1789, 1917. The king and/or the aristos v the rest.
So where's the American boundary line?

The masses are not angry enough to revolt yet. A growing number are discontent, yes, but the majority are still complacent and occupied with daily life to give a damn. The tipping point hasn't been reached yet.

I watched that sickening video of those 1400 employees being laid off, being told it was better for the company, and it was a business decision, blah blah blah. Oh yes they complained, they swore, some walked out in disgust; they didn't riot, they didn't torch the place, they didn't block the exits and take the management hostage.

Now I'm not saying that would have been a good idea, but they clearly were not upset enough with having their jobs shipped out of the country in the name of corporate greed to do anything of the sort.

There will be no revolutions in the United States any time soon. Not until a significant portion of the national population experiences what those hundreds - and previous thousands - of workers just experienced.

And that's not 'if', but 'when'.

a reply to: Willtell

The rot starts at the top. We need major reforms in the power/force wielded by the feds. Maybe another "Contract With America," but more like a Contract For Americans, with voters pledging to vote for only those candidates who pledge to implement our contract once elected. I would start with the following:

• Public veto -- Establish a means by which the voters can rescind or repeal any and all legislation passed by Congress. Perhaps require an automatic voter approval process for any legislation that will cost more than XX dollars -- such as Obamacare.
  
• Constitutional Foundation -- Require all legislation include the constitutional foundation and authority for that action, especially in terms of how it fulfills the Social Contract, serving the needs and greater good for all.
  
• No Exemptions for Members of Congress -- No one is above the law. Congress cannot exempt themselves from the legislation they pass. If a congress critter violates a law they passed, they will serve double time and/or pay double the fine.
  
• Limit Congressional Pay/Perks -- Congress critters will be paid the average salary in the nation... If the average worker makes $35,000 per year, then Congress critters will be paid $35,000 per year tax free -- but absolutely no other perks or bennies.
  
• End the Federal Reserve and debt-based monetary system
  
• Reinstate Glass-Steagall; repeal Dodd-Frank and Leach-Bliley-Gramm
  
• End (and prohibit) all corporate lobbying and campaign donations
  
• End (and prohibit) all Civil Asset Forfeiture
  
• Restrict Use of Lethal Force -- Confine use of force by law enforcement agents to the absolute last and only resort to protect life from an immediate and obvious threat. Any law enforcement officer who contributes to creating a life-threatening situation which results in loss of life shall be prosecuted the same as a criminal accomplice prosecuted for loss of life in the course of committing a crime.
  
• Restrict Federal Land Ownership/Management to no more than 5% of a states total land mass, and only to the extent necessary to fulfill their Constitutional duties to the states; designated national parks will be maintained, with the remaining land turned over to the people of the respective states via homesteading acts.

If we could actually vote in folks who would make this happen, then I think we would have a good group that could go further -- all in the best interests of the people.

a reply to: Willtell

I want to know what our country looks like, the day after the revolution.

Who's in charge?
Does the Constitution still exist?
Do we have any freedoms left?

Personally, I think we are currently seeing a revolution.

We are, right now, in the middle of a revolution.

It is for socialism. It is a revolution sponsored by Coke and Pepsi. It is a revolution brought on with the full approval of those in power. It's smart, actually.

Give the people a revolution.
Make them think they are getting a change.

The end result? More power for those in charge, more control for those in charge and less freedoms for the people.

And we will have done it to ourselves. Without a single shot fired.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

What most of these people want, who want a revolution, is not a return to the constitution however. A return to constitutionalism is the only war I will fight for, I will NOT help these people achieve socialism in this country, its a return to the constitution or it is what we have.

There will be nothing else I will fight for - and I will fight against socialism here.

If I was in charge of the oligarchy, this is what I'd do.

1. I'd create unrest in the country. I'd create disparity, anger, resentment. I'd create inequality.

2. I'd offer a candidate that would provide solutions through socialism.

3. I'd pressure social media to create a groundswell of support to make the masses actually think they were doing something.

4. I'd put against the socialist, a despicable hag with a long list of crimes to show how corrupt "the system" is.

And afterwards?

As the leader of the oligarchy, I'd still be in power, I'd have even more money and more control.

And the masses would be pacified because they will have thought that they did something.

a reply to: PhantomOrion

SGT and WDF are working with others who have had enough. Everyone has. Going to be a year of mass info dump to the public and grief for the mighty 6 and the Vatican.

I agree that we are in a revolution- but it's not one for the people.
TPP, huge corporations calling the shots, and the boys in blue micromanaging us right down to in our homes.

The average american doesn't even understand how money works outside of collecting a check (working for it or not) and spending that money on the things they need/want.

How can we expect them to even consider biting the hand that feeds when they're too blinded by the carrot to see where they're being led?

Worldwide fiat currency is on the brink of collapse, but if you say that to anyone they just look at you funny. Half these idiots still think that the currency is backed by something, and most of them think the government is well in control.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Mr. Obama has given his notice and will receive a fat paycheck, a home in Dubai, a cover home, and off he will go to a place far, far away. Hillarys campaign is distraction from what is happening with China. Pay attention to China.

Perhaps a random and disconnected thought that arose when I read the OP,
but sometimes those have reason...

You know, I have noticed that when a person has become mired in their current ways of thought or habit,
when their protective structures have actually become their prison,
their coping mechanisms have become no longer effective and become destructive,
their systems and strategies have become obsolete and maladapted,

Yet they can't seem to overcome or change them on their own,
They often find someone or some event to destroy them for them...
A tyrant, an enemy, a betrayal... an accident, a catastrophy....

Being paranoid is a perversion - desire is the base for doom porn, our subconscious works in unseen ways, and our enemies are often our soul mates.


Don't give up hope. If we can't do it alone, we will probably have help.