All Religions have Extraterrestrial origin, including Judaism and Christianity

I was about to respond to something here and decided to cover my you-know-what by going back to the original post. (Can someone please tell me if OP means Original Post or if it refers to the author of the original post, so I can save ATS some ones and zeros?)

I have found myself lost in this post a few times and so, in that attempt to re-read it from the start, I had an answer for part of my own confusion, plus an Aha! moment.

Shane, excellent post. I see why you have so many stars! You offered:

So, inlight of the discussion, it maybe good to also ensure we are all speaking about the same thing. A definition, per se.

Mr. 2012newstart, with all due respect, and I respect you highly and am indebted to you already, I also re-notice that the title of your post is “All Religions have Extraterrestrial origin, including Judaism and Christianity.” This bold expression is what brought me to this post (and to you).

Your post is fascinating for someone who is new to this site and has been toying with this same notion for some time and simply needed to hear someone else say the same thing, to offer validity to my own thoughts and experiences.

At the same time, this post can be threatening to someone who has never thought of this, nor has had reason to think of this, and is mechanically comfortable with their own current views, perhaps never questioning where those views came from.

If both statements are true, then from the get-go, the readers and participants will be divided into two camps. And when camps start to fight, they can soon lose track over what they are fighting about.

But moving on, what caused me to pause, albeit subconsciously at first, was where you said,

All religions come from the stars, and many of them gave very concrete proof of the constellation they came from (Orion, for example) by leaving behind structures pointed at certain stars or mapping parts of the sky. The Pyramids are arranged according to Orion's belt, etc.

It isn’t that statement that bothers me. It is the words within the statement of

gave very concrete proof

I tripped over that, in the older sense of that word, but put it aside to keep reading. In other words, a button got pushed, but I didn’t feel it getting pushed. I think some other readers did feel it and this is what motivates their reactions. In fact, both words push buttons. For me, “concrete” means something that everyone will agree upon without question. It is a word best used in a nuance such as “concrete fact.”

That second word, “proof” is perhaps a subject of infinite variety. If you spend some time with it, it is an odd word indeed. I think it belongs in the world of truth, a world which everyone believes they reside in yet none of us can truly enter. We can play with the terms of subjective and objective truth, but the more you play with it, the more those lines begin to blur — especially when a subject conflicts with what one wants to believe. But for me, the notion of “concrete proof” is an oxymoron.

I think that a sentence of yours towards the bottom is where a bunch of buttons got pushed, and for good reason:

Let see Jesus Christ as Master not only of this earth but also of this galaxy or until the end of the Universe.

It feels like you took a sharp turn here, off the subject of your own post, and inadvertently brought the caravan to a halt. And now we have a traffic jam, with a few tempted to express some road rage, some changing the radio station waiting for traffic to clear, and some just getting off the road. It will be interesting to see where this post goes, if it goes anywhere further.

"Shane" brings us all back to the table with the excellent opportunity to be on the same page with some definitions of the words religion and alien. Of course, some will begin to argue those definitions also, creating even more camps. By the way, I appreciate the posts of “enlightenedservant.”

But for all these words, I don’t think that you are here for this particular discussion.

I admire that at the bottom of your posts you continue to add, “pls continue to discuss” as it shows an honest openness to further discussion. But at the same time, you also have the statement “I stop posting for the time being until better days come to Earth.” This contradictory statement opens you up to ridicule, and I feel I already know you well enough to say that this is of no concern to you. But on your behalf, I would want to offer to the other readers a preemptive strike:

Having read many of your posts, and knowing that I have barely scratched the surface, what stands out to me in every post is that you are a passionate man with an urgent message that you feel impelled to share quickly, with as many as possible. You are trying to wake people up to what you are convinced is an eminent event of global importance. But with all due respect, this can not be done. It just can’t. Or at least, not in this post. But, no…I still say this can’t be done. You said yourself, in the “FATIMA Connected Prophecies…” Forum, that you have been at this for 7 years already. I am adding my own assumed conclusion that you have been at it for 7 years and in the process have become increasingly convinced of a need for urgency.

But if I am correct, you have created your own monster. On the one hand you are offering an enormous amount of data that would take your 7 years, and then some, for others to try to digest, should they even feel the desire or need to take a bite. But on the other hand, I hear you invite us to your table and then exclaim, “There’s no time for appetizers, no time for the main course, no time for desert, no time to chew. In fact, let me put it all in a blender for a take-out cup…hurry, drink up… “Check please!” And if I stall and say, “What’s wrong with you!”, you point up to the sky at…well, Something … and seeing that Something causes one to drop their cup and gulp, having never had a taste of that odd concoction to begin with.

Am I reading you correctly?

Most religions are originally inspired by astrological as well as natural phenomena, and are personified as such in various ways. If they were constructed by extraterrestrials, wouldn't they have become a more dominant methodology and school of thought, were it were actually effective in it ways or teachings, that it would dwarf other religions?

However, that not the case though, as the three prominent, monotheism's are at each others throats about whose way is better, and with little to no interference by Heaven to give judgment about the Way of God. And like all prophets say, that are all going to burn Hell because God said so.

If the three are right, then why does God, seem madder...And madder...An madder, when it comes the grades

I'd like to think they had some extraterrestrial inspirations, as well as demotivation, but the Lore works in mysterious ways.

originally posted by: Specimen
Most religions are originally inspired by astrological as well as natural phenomena, and are personified as such in various ways. If they were constructed by extraterrestrials, wouldn't they have become a more dominant methodology and school of thought, were it were actually effective in it ways or teachings, that it would dwarf other religions?

However, that not the case though, as the three prominent, monotheism's are at each others throats about whose way is better, and with little to no interference by Heaven to give judgment about the Way of God. And like all prophets say, that are all going to burn Hell because God said so.

If the three are right, then why does God, seem madder...And madder...An madder, when it comes the grades

I'd like to think they had some extraterrestrial inspirations, as well as demotivation, but the Lore works in mysterious ways.

Your dwelling on the wrong thought processes, confusing things not important to the thrust of this Post. I will touch on that later.

You do make a valid query, as to " If they were constructed by extraterrestrials, wouldn't they have become a more dominant methodology and school of thought".

And your error is not recognizing "However, that not the case though, as the three prominent, monotheism's.......", is exactly what you are asking to begin with. You asnwered the question, with your second one. They are all Alien.

And this is just the Three Monotheistic Based Faiths being noted. This doesn't even border on the Sumerian Cuneiform Texts, and the Egyptian and Greek, and Norse Pantheons. And the more nature based American Lore of the Native Peoples there.

Each and everyone of these various deities, gods, and such, have one thing in common. They left the same message, rooted deep within what I would generally define as Dogma, Theology, and Doctrines they wished to promote, but there is a common theme. You can identify the Biblical Account quite easily. It isn't difficult to get. The Koran and Torah, have the same basic account, in respects to Abrahamic Teachings, with divergence occurring on supple levels, but these other texts, sources and lore of the ancients express a similar account.

The hidden message, beneath most of the others deities and gods stories is defiance of their father. A fight, and the arrival on Earth. The co-habitation with Man, and the indulgences of Man's Daughters, with the associated stories being twisted and distorted to suit the particular needs each have. The hint here are the Fallen lack creative thought. That's is why the underlying theme is still there, and only slight differences disguise the fact.

As for Greys, Shining Ones, and such, I think they have influenced everything from earliest periods of Modern Man.

And here is your difficulty with those three conflictive Monotheistic's faiths your spoke about. They all worship the One God. It is the God of Abraham, from where Ishmael, Israel, and ultimately Christianity arose. Sure, they have differing perspectives, but there is no difference with the God of Abraham between any of these Faiths, despite the rhetoric.

Ciao

Shane

a reply to: ClownFish

Well, thank you for reading and posting here in first place! You have the right of your view as I - of mine.

About the concrete proof, I'd invite you to watch Ancient Aliens. May be I missed some more paragraphs to explain it. Even so shortened, my posts usually reach the limit of permitted typing signs for a post anyway.

I don't endorse Ancient Aliens. I just watch the proof they present. As for example the alignment of the pyramids in Giza, the alignment of the Hopi settlements for a period of hundreds years, that both point at Orion constellation. Wel may be I should use the word "all religioins" because the truth is I haven't been researching ALL of them. but could you tell me one religion that hasn't been introduced from above, rather had purely earthly origin? If you do that, you will help me, your readers, and also yourself. ANd if you can't name a such, then may be my headline is correct, although I do not pretend to present ALL proof neither I am a specialist in the field. Therefore I QUOTE specialists, some of whom controversial and still the best ones in their field. I do that in the first 2 posts, so please go there to find the links.

10 or more years are nothing compared to people who dedicated their entire lives to archaeology and ancient texts and who come with the proof you are looking for. Believe them, not me who just quote what others have done.

As of Judaism and Christianity, it is clear God does not dwell on earth, is not an idol, he is on hi in heaven, or what we would call today space may be, and that should be enough to realize God is not of this earth therefore "extra - terrestrial" by definition. It doesn't mean "little green men".

Because the MSM and public opinion in the second half of 20th century made such a stupid conclusion that all aliens are little green men, therefore closer to the demons. THAT is not proven, and not the topic I present.

Well, sure one post or 10 could not encompass all of that. I think the main religions should start ASAP their cultural and scientific centers with many educated specialists on the topic. Especially when the pope himself started taking of green Martians to be baptized. It is easy to say it once, it is difficult to prove it as scientific truth based on evidence, as a number of scientists archaeologists already did. I know the wide public will always what to say about it, but let the Churches themselves take the initiative if they want to still be relevant after the whatever events come to happen. (they may not be only disastrous, they may be good ones).

I do not set any restrictions or time frames, and I do not know whether that process will take 3 days or 30 years. Welcome on my table but it will take longer and more efforts than reading in a forum. Still, the forum makes it public and that is what matters here. One cannot pretend those things haven't been said in public.

As one cannot pretend the 3 different ET contacts of John XXIII are fake. Rather leaked documents that someone insider leaked. Vatican keeps silence and does not reject those web reports of now Saint John 23. So may be they agree.

Would people be interested in religions that didn't claim some superior being from off this world started them up?

Its the perfect sham to tell people "My power comes from above" - yet its only ever been enforced by men wielding weapons and killing those who disagreed. Religion to a tee.

Hello again. I am sad that I think you misread my post, but it’s of no importance. I am still looking for common ground, because I feel in my heart how important your message is. I’m just trying to figure out what it is.

I have spent several hours every day and night following these links and I am feeling like I fell through someone else’s rabbit hole and should be gathering carrots, but let me share why I am persistent, and I pray this isn’t off topic.

My "teacher," when he realized how one sided my approach to life was, having been born and raised a Catholic, and knowing that my experiences were inconsistent with what I had been taught to believe and were causing me a great deal of distress, began to inundate me with an entire library of various subjects. I would obediently read them and comment on what I read, and he would ignore me and send me more books, ad nauseam, and sometimes on the opposite point of view of the previous book. This was most confusing and irritating, as it seemed to be leading nowhere really slowly. But then one day he said to me, “You have to sift through a lot of sand before you find a single grain of gold. And then you have to go through even more to find another grain of gold. You need to do this until you begin to see a common thread, and then you need to follow that thread to the Mother Load.” (He didn’t mean internet threads. It hadn’t been invented yet.)

There is something in your posts and all these links and I am still looking for the common denominator. They are interesting links, for sure, and one particularly caught my eye regarding an interview with Retired, Command Sergeant Major, Robert O. Dean and Retired, Sergeant Clifford Stone. Mr. Stone is the one who had me jump out of my chair when I saw him interviewed on, I think it is called Hangar 51, or a name similar to that. But of everything I’ve seen thus far, I believe this interview you posted, with that irritating lady interviewer, is the most important. (It’s on your post to me on Feb 12 of this thread — I don’t know how to do links yet, sorry).

I think that Mr. Dean has the common denominator, but he only says it with his eyes in that interview. I don’t think it can be put into words. I think that this is where the Mother Load is and all the rest is, with a wince, fluff. Yes, most important fluff indeed but not useful to today. That’s the rub, in my view. Everything points to contradictory yesterdays and mysterious tomorrows, but nothing deals with today, which is all we have.

Now, as for this current Pope. I will go out on a limb and say most unkindly, that I did not care for who I used to privately call Ratz-his-name, and my first impression of Pope Francis, although seemingly opposite in personality, struck me as inwardly being of the same cloth. But I have been watching him closely and I am beginning to change my mind about him. Usually my first impression is correct and I was glad to be wrong, but with some of these threads, I was beginning to second guess if I weren’t correct to begin with. But this morning I was contemplating why, if this man is a God send, as I truly want to believe he is, then why is he silent on this most important issue of yours and it suddenly hit me. I think I “know” what’s happening and I truly hope I am correct:

While contemplating on why this man is keeping these things to himself, it occurred to me that this is actually not his intent — quite the contrary. I think he very much wants to share whatever truth they know about but he is also what Gurdjieff refers to as a Sly Man. Yes, he’s a kind man and, if I recall, a sort of renegade Jesuit, but that’s neither here nor there. The point is that there are some clever brains behind that heart, or perhaps a clever heart behind that brain, and I think that his first goal is to unite a divided Church. I don't think his intention is to save the Church, nor their own skins, but to be a sort of Holy Portal, if you will, for what will then become an announcement. After all, timing is everything. If he were to share what he knew, say, a year ago, I think they would have stoned him. I think he is being very wise indeed, if my projected imagination, and I am the first to call it that with all it’s loop holes, but if my projected imagination is correct.

So for myself, rather than to continue with this Easter Egg Hunt, which, knowing myself, I will probably do anyway, out of not so idle curiosity, but I will do so merely on the surface. Below the surface, and in peace, I will watch and pray for Truth, whatever its face, whatever its agenda, to reveal itself in its own way and time.

Thank you again for your dedication.

a reply to: 2012newstart

All Religions have Extraterrestrial origin, including Judaism and Christianity

In English language terms, that is correct; God is not of this Earth.

The biggest mountain we have yet to top is in understanding who and what we are as a species. The concept of us gradually growing from the mud to where we are now is ridiculous. Evolution does indeed exist, but at a pace we have so stepped beyond.

Try it this way...
In the last 15,000 years... basically, a fraction of an atom of a drop of water in the bucket of Earthly history in a universe we cannot even begin to yet comprehend, the human species has gone from grinding stones to exploring the solar system.

We are not natural.
Once this sets in... if it ever does, then we can begin debating our origins.
Once we do... if we ever do, regardless of the who and/or what behind us, we will have no choice. It will be at that moment when we can be fooled like the foolish children that we are or... take the high road that was offered to us from day one.

The choice will be ours to make and the burden of being wrong, ours to bear.



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a reply to: 2012newstart

Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world.

a reply to: 2012newstart

From Cthulhu to Cloning

A critical examination of the role Lovecraft's Cthulhu mythos played in setting the stage for the ancient astronaut hypothesis with an emphasis on the connections among "alternative" authors.

jcolavito.tripod.com...

ORIGINS OF THE MYTH
By the late 1920s an obscure Providence, RI author named Howard Phillips Lovecraft began publishing in pulp magazines a series of stories which history would record as the Cthulhu Mythos. These tales centered on a group of transdimensional and extraterrestrial entities which served as deities to early man. Lovecraft wrote that Cthulhu and the Great Old Ones, as he (sometimes) called the alien gods, came from dark stars. Some lived on a planet he called Yuggoth and identified in the 1930s with the new-found planet Pluto.

, L. Ron Hubbard, began dabbling with the theme of aliens as protagonists in a cosmic battle. Hubbard breifly flirted with Satanism under the guidance of the aging Aleister Crowley, but decided to forge his own idiosyncratic religious belief. By midcentury he was well on his way to founding Scientology, built on the premise that aliens entered a cosmic battle a million years ago and the losers fell to earth where they genetically modified Homo erectus to carry on their genes.

Immanuel Velikovsky , Prof. Charles Hapgood, Von Däniken, Sitchin, Hancock, and on and on

H.P. Lovecraft gave rise to alternative archaeology, ancient astronauts and new religions. We have also seen that each of these phenomena produced unforseen consequences affecting life today.

I read this many year ago, enjoy

The Cult of the Alien Gods

books.google.com...

a reply to: Stormdancer777

As we read the prophecy of Christianity, both words of Jesus and those of John's Apocalypse, it tells us the same: a space based religion that touched the Earth. We read of stars, sun, moon, the powers of heaven to be shaken (Jesus). OK let say what those powers of heaven are, if we do not consider the word "space, cosmos" that was not different from heaven in Jesus' time. Because we don't expect the heavenly clouds of angels to be shaken, rather celestial bodies. It is strange how many centuries have to pass in order to come to the well known and forgotten knowledge of ancients that heaven, sky and space are pretty much the same thing.

I have a new post about the Manchild www.abovetopsecret.com... you may take notice of it.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Your views on all that?

My view is -

Oh look. Another thread title where unsupported opinion is outright stated as fact. Lets just make # up..

Von Daniken is a charlatan and a fraud. People need to grow the hell up and stop accepting this kind of nonsense as if it was gospel. Check the facts for yourselves - it's not difficult, the real facts are out there.

Had it up to here with this bs..

a reply to: 2012newstart

I seen the documentaries on these issue of extraterrestrials influencing the way ancient man view the havens and created religion.

Specially when civilizations that never meet each other from each continent, have the same fundamental believes of haven and heavenly beings pictured in hieroglyphics.

I find this topic to be very intriguing.

a reply to: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing

of course everyone has his/her own view on all that. Especially when it comes to a new paradigm. Darwin made his way for centuries.

The books of Sumers whom I have no way to read in original but have to count on translators and to believe their job, are striking for a civilized educated generation that has been taught since childhood that Adam and Eve ate the fruit and then the Flood punished them all.

Sumers tell us a different story, the "gods" or ET leaders manipulated our genes, and after sometime decided to wipe out everyone. Only they disagreed between themselves and instead of fire (nukes?) the responsible Anunaki sent to punish humanity used water (flood) while saved Noah beforehand. Is this yet another fable to be questioned as much as Genesis?

You know the children in the Sunday school ask simple questions. Such as what was before the flood. What animals lived then. The teachers are supposed to know more but they usually don't. Because they are not told either. They say, "we don't know", or "you have to believe the word of God that is given in symbols". Even the pope said that, John Paul II I think. Because he accepted Darwin besides the Bible.

Well, if we have the first chapters of Genesis written 2000 or 3000 years or more after the Flood, by Moses or by his disciples, then everything is possible to happen with that saga. It was not written in stone to survive the flood. I don't exchange it with Daniken or Sitchin, only say their research is worthy to be considered as one of the many possibilities.

Is it possible Anunaki lied in Sumer texts in order to delude us in the last generation? Even if it is the case, and it has to be proven first, still we have personages on the scene of Earth that obviously knew more than Moses knew. We have a planet destroyed in the place of the asteroid belt, estimated by the laws of gravity. We have pyramid on Mars, along with other things. We have to think seriously of the possibility other civilizations, not necessarily alien to earth, to have existed hundreds of thousands years before Adam. The earth exists as planet for some 4 billion years and everything is possible to happen in those years.

Let alone, the solar system is not of the group of oldest stars. The star clusters in the galaxies consist of much older stars of ten or more billion years. Imagine how much would develop a civilization for all that time. Compared to ours, some 5000 or so years, in which the last centuries only developed the technology. We have 4700 years after the flood without significant technology. And that if the Jewish estimations are correct. Because archaeologists put the Flood itself not at 5000 years ago but at some 12,000 years ago. There are artifacts along every coastline everywhere on the planet that speak of ancient civilizations submerged some 12,000 years ago.

That all doesn't reject the belief in the one good Creator of everything, that the Bible calls God and the Gospel calls God the Father. It would be quite limited faith if we limit the creativeness of God and tie his actions only to what is written down thousands years post factum very limited, by people who used their available vocabulary at that time to represent it. I can say more, but that is enough.

Seems also the region immediate around Earth is not the best place in the Universe. May be it is a punishment for something. I just wonder, for what. And everyone who reads for a first time the story of Adam and Eve in age of understanding, asks that same question: why the fruit (apple), why it was a sin, why expelled.

The theological explanations that tried to make the people behave better during the centuries understandable and may be necessary for their time, do not suffice anymore. We will go back to that apple time and again until we are told the truth without symbols. God is truth and light, and in him there is no lie or darkness, says Jesus written down by John around 90 AD preserved as papyrus copy 100 years later. If that is taken as unchangeable word of the Son of God, then we have to know the truth in first place.

a reply to: 2012newstart

The books of Sumers whom I have no way to read in original but have to count on translators and to believe their job

Who are these translators that you count on?

You mentioned Sitchin earlier, are you using and believing his translations over other academics that seem to have different translations of the Sumerian tablets.

What was Sitchin field of study, wasn't it economics or there abouts?

Lest say he did research into ancient languages, why are his translations different from scholars that have degrees for translating the ancient languages?

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Of course Sitchin made agreat ttribute to the world knowledge bank, by publishing (if not translating by himself) the books of Sumer civilization in understandable modern English. We have to be ever grateful to him. Danike is another titan of modern thought who critically examined religious texts, Bible and others, and actually did the work that should be done by the cardinals and theologians. Ancient Aliens is one of the best modern serials that I ever watched in my entire life, although not perfect and prone to criticism. That is the point, we start to think and we start to criticise and demand answers - even by those who initiated that process, Sitchin, Daniken, Ancient Aliens, or as many before them as they are. I do not pretend to rediscover America. It is already discovered. Sitchin may not be correct for the orbital period of Nibiru either. It may be closer or farther. We just don't know. What we need is more information not less. More scientists to come with similar and better works, not to paint in dark the existing ones. I wonder why not the pope make some cardinals scientists that are not priests, like Daniken, who will make contribution that will negate the past era's wrongdoings in science by the churches. I can list several more names, but they are all younger, and if someone finds criticism to Daniken and Sitchin (RIP), he will surely find shortcomings of a younger man (woman).

The Bible should be rereaded started today, not tomorrow. Start with EZEKIEL chapter ONE and pls READ IT. Even those of you who think they know what Ezekiel wrote. Keep in mind the Bible does not pretend to encompass all knowledge and it never was. Still it has enough words that make you start thinking on the true meaning of all those angels, clouds, thunders, and so on. Up to the Ascension of our Lord Jesus in a cloud.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: InhaleExhale

Of course Sitchin made agreat ttribute to the world knowledge bank, by publishing (if not translating by himself) the books of Sumer civilization in understandable modern English.

Sitchin made his 'translations' up as he went. That's not "a great contribution to the world knowledge bank", it's a travesty, because now we have masses of ignorant and gullible people (such as yourself) who believe his work to be legitimate.

We have to be ever grateful to him.

We most certainly do not.

Ancient Aliens is one of the best modern serials that I ever watched in my entire life

Goof lord....That explains a lot.

Sitchin may not be correct for the orbital period of Nibiru either.

Sitchin was not correct on anything.

It may be closer or farther.

No, it may not be, as it doesn't exist.

We just don't know.

Yes, we do.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

your claims are not backed by any evidence. We have the books of Sitchin and the live interviews of Daniken. They speak facts. You and others paint them black, even some religious paint them darker than the devil. They base their research on facts. I accept their interpretation, and as I said before will say it again to every devote person who reads here, READ EZEKIEL CHAPTER 1.

a reply to: 2012newstart

After they read that they should read the book of Enoch...

But only if they want the truth...

a reply to: 2012newstart

Of course Sitchin made agreat ttribute to the world knowledge bank, by publishing (if not translating by himself) the books of Sumer civilization in understandable modern English.

Yes, he has published many books,

However my question was why do you believe his interpretations/translations over others that specialize in translating ancient languages that have different translations to what Sitchin was pushing?

We have to be ever grateful to him.

Why?

Right here on ATS its been shown numerous times that his translations of certain Cylinders were incorrect,

Ancient Aliens is one of the best modern serials that I ever watched in my entire life

and bugs bunny is one the greatest cartoon characters, what point are you trying to make?

your claims are not backed by any evidence.

They actually are.

Do you know where these artifacts such as the cylinders where Sitchin talks about the 10th planet being depicted in it are?

Instead of telling people to read the bible why not further your own research, it can actually be done here on ATS as its been linked to in past threads what the actual translations are and who they were translated by.

We have the books of Sitchin and the live interviews of Daniken. They speak facts. You and others paint them black, even some religious paint them darker than the devil. They base their research on facts. I accept their interpretation

So do they speak facts or are they their own interpretations that you accept?

Facts and interpretations are not one and the same.