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Are we about to experience the rise of the 4th reach?

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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 11:09 PM
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Ok, I'm going to present this idea to the best of my ability. I just got done working out so some of the right words aren't coming to me so bear with me.

The rise of Hitler came due to economic and political strife in Germany. I think we are seeing a similar situation develop in America where the average American is so sick of politics and the economy that we are looking for extreme examples of change such as Trump. Now I'm not really comparing Trump to Hitler because I don't think that's going to be the case let's be honest here... But I believe we are seeing the opportunity for this kind of rise to power open up in the American political system due to the extreme polarization of our economy and political spectrum.

So are we approaching a 4th Reich scenario or the opportunity for such an event to happen?




posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

The 4th Reich has been around for sometime in South America and the Antarctic region. It is likely they will be jumping out of the cake when the world celebrates 1st contact leading to disclosure.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 11:18 PM
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I think there's been a book out for some years, titled "The Fourth Reich of the Rich." This country has been ruled by the sons and grandsons of American Hitlerites for many years now.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: Lazarus Short

Jim Mars wrote a book about it I think.


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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

The US government is the biggest threat to the United States of America and the freedom of her people.

It is the most dangerous terrorist organization on the planet, murdering it's own citizens and those from foreign countries with arrogant impunity and a complete disregard for morality and ethics.

The US government is the strong-arm of the global elite bankster bloodlines and the weapon behind the gradual implementation of the totalitarian New World Order.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Lazarus Short

Jim Mars wrote a book about it I think.





posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

I think they are up to, like, the 37th reich by now.




posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

I think we are always on the cusp of having another "4th Reich". Every generation, we have the potential for such great hatred and malice and evil.

It's up to good people, the quiet people, to keep that from ever happening.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 12:25 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft
Carry that out to the Trilateral Commission and you have it . The following is from Noam Chomsky no less...



Essentially liberal internationalists from Europe, Japan and the United States, the liberal wing of the intellectual elite. That’s where Jimmy Carter’s whole government came from. [...] [The Trilateral Commission] was concerned with trying to induce what they called ‘more moderation in democracy’ – turn people back to passivity and obedience so they don’t put so many constraints on state power and so on. In particular they were worried about young people. They were concerned about the institutions responsible for the indoctrination of the young (that’s their phrase), meaning schools, universities, church and so on – they’re not doing their job, [the young are] not being sufficiently indoctrinated. They’re too free to pursue their own initiatives and concerns and you’ve got to control them better.[12]


Trilateral Commission



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 01:19 AM
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A friend recently said this to me. (Their words, not mine. I do not agree necessarily with their characterization, and even if I did, I would be far more charitible and diplomatic in my choice of words... but thought it worth sharing, and got their permission to due so.)



"Hitler, many seem to forget, was elected. Then, through a series of iterative steps, he was handed increasing power. There were many steps along the way at which his rise to total control could have been halted, however the social and economic circumstances were such that it took on an air of inevitability.

What's truly galling, is that while pre-WW2 Germans really had experienced harsh economic conditions due to the treaty of Versailles and that was exploited by the Nazis to seize popularity, if the climate truly is right for an American demagogue as dangerous as Hitler to rise due to increasingly extreme political sentiment on all sides as some theorize, it will be because so many Americans merely believe they are somehow as bad off as pre-WW2/post treaty of Versailles Germans were. Not because they actually are. And that is so frustratingly, unnecessarily, quintessentially Western in its materialist roots.

While economic downturn, reductions in production jobs, the recession, and many other factors have made things tougher for many Americans than they had been in a while, they still live in the most prosperous, arguably most developed nation in the history of humanity. In many cases even the most indigent Americans are far better off than in other parts of the world. Which is not to dismiss their hardships by any means. But most of those fervently and with extremism on either side crying out for 'radical change' - not that change is not needed - don't seem likely to be the poorest of the poor in America. So when or if the American take on a Hitler should ever rise, it will be born not from the manipulation of the masses' hardships, but of their self entitled belief in American exceptionalism, which is so deeply rooted, that even living in the most privileged state on Earth, they will see their economic downturns and fluctuations as equivalent to the hardships of pre-WW2 Germany.

The American Hitler will be born of the refusal of Americans to see America slide even one iota from its perch atop the world as a 'hyperpower' because anything approaching America simply becoming somewhat more equal to the rest of the planet will be seen as sacrilege, anathema, and an affront which must be confronted with zealous, irrational rage, and nothing less. Woe to the world if that ever happens."



As I said... I don't agree with him point for point on this, and would prefer not to characterize my country or countrymen in this connotation. Don't shoot the messenger. But there is an arguable point in there somewhere, if not semantically agreeable, imho.

Peace.




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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 01:32 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

I think the times we are living in reflect the political and economic turmoils of the 1920's and 1930's period of Europe, yes.

The economy isn't very great and political tension is increasing. People are drifting further to the left or right, and extremism is starting to become more common. Just look at the right-wing extremists running around in Europe, threatening any person they assume to be a refugee. Just look at the left-wing extremists running around in the USA trying to erode people's rights in the name of their own twisted version of equality...

I don't believe we are close to experiencing a 4th Reich, in that a totalitarian government will rise up and declare war on the world, but extremist politics is becoming increasingly popular. That is a concern.
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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 01:44 AM
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a reply to: AceWombat04

Your friend thinks America is the best place on earth many European country's have a higher standard of living with more social mobility, and more equality economically making for better local economies.

We have extremes on both ends of the spectrum. Our rich live like kings but our poor literally sleep in the streets by the 100's and 1000's especially in the western United States.

We are very polarized and there are multiple countries existing side by side.

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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 01:48 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

As I said, I don't agree with all of his points, nor with his choice of words.

That said, the general premise (with some caveats in my mind at least) that if current economic conditions at present somehow led to the rise of an American brand of Hitler it might be because many Americans view "not ideal" as "we're completely ruined and need a strongman to restore us to greatness," though... I do think that particular facet of his argument has some merit.

Peace.
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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 01:52 AM
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a reply to: AceWombat04

Yes I totally agree.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 02:23 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: onequestion

I think we are always on the cusp of having another "4th Reich". Every generation, we have the potential for such great hatred and malice and evil.

It's up to good people, the quiet people, to keep that from ever happening.


Has it ever been more cuspier? Modern times are fertile for a new Hitler-figure. The user-generated content of ATS is reflective of society at large and hatred and fear are bubbling to the boil nicely. We've got a few agents of discord on the boards who'd blindly vote in a modern Hitler as a cat's paw for their own dreams. Most wouldn't have a clue of what they were inviting into this world. Some are (imo) actively seeking that goal...



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 02:34 AM
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The NAZI stuff is a symptom of the Fabian socialist plan from the 1800's.

Putting it all under the NAZIs or their heirs leaves out all of the plutocrats that morphed the West from a local free market system into a top down national or international system.

Liberty versus Power.

Economics versus Politics.

That said , depending on the case, the NAZI analogy might fit a specific happening as good as a calculus equation matches a specific engineering problem.
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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 03:25 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I think its happening now and its up to good people like You to stand up .

Maybe all those quiet people have just been waiting for You?



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 04:05 AM
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I think someone will rise to power the Middle East.
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posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 04:08 AM
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Yeah as if rich greedy businessmen haven't caused enough damage in this country it's time we elect one.



posted on Jan, 31 2016 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

The Redhouse Report was pretty clear: the 4th Reich has already come to exist.




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