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Synchronicity; Apophenia and the 11:11 fallacy

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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 10:28 PM
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I experience this phenomenon on a daily basis. I have found no research that could reasonably describe what are the random causal factors that would cause, say, my Netflix video freezing at 11m:11s at 11:11PM? Or the dozens of times my YouTube videos pause and crash at 11m:11s, or the hundreds of times I've paused a film at 11:11 or song at 1:11. Or taking burning food out of the microwave at 1:11s at 11:11AM? Or dropping my phone at 11:11 or my iPad display turning on by itself at night at 11:11?

That doesn't even barely scratch the surface. I've had countless encounters with this phenomenon, and I can tell you from experience, there is no recognizable pattern to any of it, nor anyway I can attribute it to me or anything related to my body's natural tendency to detect and anticipate patterns.

In other words.it's difficult to attribute the cause to my brain/body clock. My brains natural ability to recognize patterns and numbers doesn't explain why a drop of bath water falls on my phone screen, turning it on and my eyes seeing 11:11 on the display. My body clock and my brain's ability to unconsciously be aware of the passing of time, doesn't explain how I see 11 on my phone battery at 11:11 after checking to tell someone else what time it is. Or how my physiology and neurological process was involved in my eyes falling on my navigation computer saying I had 11.1 miles to go, arrival at 11:11am - which was in 11minutes.

Again, probabilities are probabilities...and these are just a few out of the many occurrences that happen on a daily basis that would make your head spin in bewilderment. But until someone experiences the phenomenon for themselves, it's difficult to grasp the fullness of the happening. It's more than noticing numbers...it's the circumstances that repeatedly bring it about....that brings the suspicion that something uniquely fishy is going on. I don't give meanings or symbology to this phenomenon...but the phenomenon is a happening.....a highly unique and suspect one.

I could write a book about my experiences if there weren't already a thousand books written on the subject. Anyway, interesting discussion. Cheers.
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posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 03:19 AM
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originally posted by: TomSawyer
a reply to: spygeek

So thoughts have physical matter?


Thoughts arise from physical matter. They are an emergent feature of consciousness, which is itself an emergent feature of neurotransmitters and neurochemistry.


Take a step outside of yourself for a minute or two with me, if you don't mind. There are religions all over this world that have different explanations for something. That something is God. There is not one religion that has the most objective evidence of said God, because God is not on this physical plane in physical form.


Christians would disagree with you here, particularly Catholics.


Therefore no one knows for a fact if what they are teaching or believe is even correct or fact. Some believe that they know for a fact. But there is no way for any of them to know. It's not any different than our disagreement here about synchronicity. I am not going to sit here and say that I know for a fact that I am right. Do I believe that I know, sure. But only God actually knows for sure.


I can know for a fact that I have induced my own 842 synchronicity apophenia, as I continue to show through experiment.

The inclusion of God is not necessary to explain it, and only really relevant to your own subjective interpretation of synchronicity..

Jung never said the universal consciousness was God.


Pretend that there is a God, and when you die you go and have a discussion with it. (To me God is a conscious energy, which encompasses male and female in my opinion. Which is why I am saying "it".) But pretend you're looking down at the world, and call something Black like a car on the road or something. If God says in response, in all actuality that color is called white. Are you really going to argue with it?


Of course I would argue with It. I would say, "Well it's all very good for You to say what humans call black, You call white, but it doesn't change the colour itself. The French call it noir, is that wrong? Does that change the colour english speakers recognise as black, into some other colour?"

Black and white are monochromatic shades, anyway, not colours.


What if it explains that the color was given it's name when it was created? Or that people on Earth just came up with a different name for it. Just like on all of these other planets, they have completely different names for it as well. Do you see how the only things that are really even possible to know for sure, are what you learn from experience. Like if you touch a stove when it's hot, you'll burn your hand? Other then that we're all just giving different names to the same things, and everyone is under the impression that they know these things and are facts.


Different names and labels for things don't have any influence whatsoever on the existence or physical properties of those things.. I fail to grasp the point you are trying to make..


The band Rush has lyrics that this reminds me of this. they says "Everyone knows everything, and no one is ever wrong. Until later. Who can you believe? We try to play it safe. But apart from a few good friends, we don't take anything on faith. Until later."


You appear to be taking a number of things on faith.. Again I am failing to grasp your point..


Does it make more sense if I put it together like this?

If you genuinely ask for a sign for verification, with an open mind/heart. You might be surprised? Ask for God to engineer a synchronicity/sign for you to experience that is so unexpected, mind-blowing, personal and relevant, hugely significant and completely inexplicable, as to leave you with no choice but to admit you were wrong.


Alright, I will consciously ask God to do this and report back with His/Its response.


Kind of an odd way to phrase it, but the simple answer is no. I think I have been pretty clear about that.


Apologies, it appeared to me that that is what you were saying when you said, "I did, and it's what got me started on the path to where I am today."


I completely disagree with you on this one. If you went to Vegas and tried to place a bet on those two things happening to you in one day. I'm pretty sure you and I both know, the odds of both of those things happening to the same person in the same day would be extremely long. I could retire kind of long. In my opinion, the reason it is that way. Is to get your attention, with asking what are the chances of that happening?


Again I feel I must stress that you are attributing these odds post hoc.. If you went in to a casino and tried to place a bet that these things happened to the same person in the same day, you wouldn't get any odds at all. It's already happened, the odds clearly are that it would happen.

If you could predict these things happening to you in advance, I would be inclined to say there might be something there.

The same fallacious logic can be used to say, for instance, that I should never have existed.. A succession of very specific unlikely events, including particular, specific sperm connecting with particular, specific eggs, over generations, thousands of years, to result in me being born, growing up and living, breathing, and thinking today, in 2016 CE. What are the odds? Statistically it's impossible. I shouldn't exist, according to your improper understanding of probability.

And yet here I am, existing beyond all odds.

Any given event or coincidence can be said to be unlikely or uncanny, after it has happened. But if you actually understand and do the math, literally everything is inevitable, eventually.


Are you seriously asking me this far into these conversations, if that is what I have been saying this entire time? Seriously? Again, I thought I was pretty clear on this. Yes, I believe that God communicates to us via synchronicities.
What is so shocking about that anyways? God created us all, so why is that so strange that it would have an interest in all of it's creations? Not just me, everyone. If the Bible is correct, which I am not saying that it is. Then God is everywhere, and knows everything. If God is a conscious energy, that is inside of everything that it. It would meet both of those descriptions. So yeah, why not? It's also the bridge between your brain and mine and everyone else. God is pretty awesome, probably more awesome than imaginable, if I am right in my understandings.


God, by this definition, is nothing more than a multi-purpose gap-filler for things people have no knowledge or understanding of.

Basically you are saying, "I don't understand or accept the natural probabilistic explanation, so Goddidit", or even "if unlikely events and coincidences occur, it must mean Goddidit".
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posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 03:40 AM
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Well I can only speak for me. But how yours differ from mine, and some other peoples stories that I have read. Is that I wasn't actively looking for signs, or trying to create them. I wasn't kidding when I said that I completely missed my car turning 111,111, and I was looking forward to it. So obviously I haven't trainned my brain too well, or that wouldn't have happened. 

But you picked a number. In my case the number picked me, and according to others it picked them as well. The question here is why 11:11? It could have been any set of numbers. But everyone is seeing the same ones? My guess is that 11:11 represents the beginning of seeing these things.


11:11 is unique and symmetrical, that alone is enough reason for your subconscious to start noticing it and seeking it out.

Numbers can't "choose" anyone or anything. They are inert. People notice them and, unknowingly to them, create subconscious connections to them. You did "choose" 11:11, just not consciously.


But from there it progresses to different numbers, then different kinds of signs and synchronicities. Kind of like how you would learn a new language. But the way you are doing it, you are in charge. It's not communication to you, to you it's more of a game. The way others do it, they surrender to it, and let the signs come to them as God intends them. Not trying to manufacture them. This isn't about how can I use this to get personal gains. This is about learning a language, and when trying to learn a new language. It is best to let the teacher teach, and not just go around assigning your own words to things, and expecting to be able to communicate.


So what does this teacher teach you? What message can be objectively verified? How can you be so sure you are pursuing God's instruction when it all relies on your own subjective interpretation? How can you rule out the possibility that it is all just a figment of your subconscious? By what empirical standard are you defining any of this?

Of course it is to expected that once you start noticing numerical coincidences and attaching meaning to them, you will notice them more. Same goes for non-numerical coincidences.

They are still just coincidences, whether you accept it or not.


Tell God yourself, you have a mouth, right?  Making light of kids starving now? How nice. Remember John St Julien? People like him, is how this world changes. Not by sitting here on the internet, mocking people that want to be part of that change. If you're as smart as you seem to think you are. Why don't you understand that a conscious energy doesn't have physical form. The way it get's it's will done, is through us and our actions.


Forgive me, that was a facetious comment. My point was that God is inconsistent at best, and downright mean at worst, if He/It uses synchronicity to communicate with us mere mortals and dispense treats.

I might not be as smart as I think I am, but I do know that the definition of energy is physical, and essentially what matter is made of.

Any non-physical "energy" is not actually energy, by its own definition. Even dark energy has physically measurable effects.

People like John St. Julien do make a difference in the world, but he needed no synchronicity to do any of it. We all make a difference, and the world is constantly changing, but 11:11 is not a legitimate means to any altruistic end without, as you rightly say, the personal will to be alturistic.

John St Julien is an example of someone justifying their altruism with Jungian synchronicity, but he fails to acknowledge his own bias and objective rationality. He is not a role model; if you want to make difference, go and do it, don't wait for your own apophenia to self-manufacture your destiny.

The will originates in the individual, there is no "universal will" that pushes us, beyond our own conscience.

Btw, I am perfectly comfortable with the difference and change I personally make in the world. I teach younger minds the accumulated knowledge of humanity, I espouse humanitarian philosophy and existential freedom, critical thinking, and rationality.

I made the choice to do this without any guidance from synchronicity or a collective unconscious. I do it because I am good at it, and I believe that young minds are the most valuable, and yet the most fragile commodity we have.

I don't see any value in synchronicity beyond a generally curious artifact of early psychology, not because I am biased, anti-spiritual, or closeminded, but because it fails to justify itself on the most basic logical principles.

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posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 04:48 AM
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originally posted by: spygeek
I don't see any value in synchronicity beyond a generally curious artifact of early psychology, not because I am biased, anti-spiritual, or closeminded, but because it fails to justify itself on the most basic logical principles.

The purpose of the codes is to drag spiritual minded people away from Jesus Christ into a new age religion.

Since the 11:11 codes started, the Knowledge Base in the spiritual world, that is now accessible to mortals via jinn and fallen angel messengers, has drawn large portions of the world population away from Jesus.

842 can be viewed in geometrical forms as well. IMO all 5 spiritual elements will soon manifest on Earth. The 5 are Earth, wind, fire, water and spirit. Each form will have a red scar engraving (etched, burnt) into their skin near their right thumb nail where the nail comes out of the finger near the knuckle.

Air will have the symbol 8 or infinity. Another form will have 2 vertical bars like a '11' or '||'. The 4 will probably be a square or +.
just my 2 cents based on a recent dream.



posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 06:03 AM
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a reply to: Visitor2012

I'm going to accept your anecdotal evidence at face value and assume you are being honest here..

How does Jungian synchronicity provide a causal factor for the appearance of 11:11, when Jung himself described the collective unconscious as acasual?

How often did a Netflix video freeze at some other time than 11:11? YouTube videos crash at some other time? You personally pausing a film or song at other times? Or taking burning food out of he microwave at other times? Or dropping your phone or noticing your iPad display turning on at full battery charge or whatever reason at other times?

Have you made a note of all the times the 11:11 phenomenon did not occur? Have any control with which to compare your findings?

You may not think there is any way to attribute your noticing this to your own subconscious pattern recognition, but that's to be expected when it is subconscious..

You say there is no recognisable pattern, you simply notice it more than any other number combination.. This implies not Jungian synchronicity, but a simple subconscious fixation and apophenia..

It would appear that the only fishy thing happening here is your own subconscious attachment to the number and its ability to recognise it while disregarding all other numbers..

Circumstances don't really bring it about more than any other number combination, it is simply that your mind has been trained to pick up and focus on it, while ignoring all other number occurrences..

If you really want to find out if it this is a highly unique and suspect experience, I would suggest setting up an experiment to test it.

Make a note of every situation you don't see the number; as your anecdotes appear on the surface to rely heavily on confirmation bias, we need to rule that out..

Also, make a note of when it does come up, in what form, and in what way it is related to your own willful actions.. This way we can somewhat rule out your own bias to prove a predetermined conclusion..

We also need to know what effect your own subconscious attachment has on the frequency of the 11:11 appearance.. When did you first notice it? Has it increased in frequency since then or did it suddenly start and remain constant? Did you notice it once and say, "that's funny", or did you do a lot of reading and research on other's experiences before finding yourself in the midst of it?

I personally am interested to know what your own interpretation or belief is regarding this.. Do you find it is evidence of a collective unconscious or God, or is it simply a spooky feature of your life?

The subconscious is a powerful thing. It not only regulates our interpretation of reality and informs our biases, but it also defines our personality and, unknown to us, makes desicions about what we can and cannot accept as legitimate truth.

To know yourself is to be conscious of your own subconscious patterns of induction.

No one but yourself can know what you think and why you think it. Objectively speaking, you are a pattern recognition machine. Seeing the same number sequence daily, and making a conscious note of it, is a reflection of your own consciousness more than that of any esoteric or undefined "collective unconscious"..

To find the objective truth, we need to strip away as much subjective bias as possible.
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posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: Rapha

hmmm...

So, what did the jinn and fallen angel messengers do before digital clocks and timers were invented? Is this only a recent plot of theirs to drag people away from Christianity?

How is 842 viewed as a geometric form? How is this relevant?

What are these five spiritual elements going to do once they manifest on Earth? Why will they all have scarred thumbs?

Is the sole basis for all of this your own dream fantasy? Is there any real world, objective basis for it at all?



posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: spygeek

There is nothing to offer beyond the fact that it is a peculiar phenomenon I am consistently witnessing. Especially if you have never experienced it in its fullness, and perhaps derive your knowledge from the findings of other people you believe to be credible and an authority on the subject matter and who are also observing from the outside.

This phenomenon happens at least dozens of times a week for me. You wouldn't believe most of it, but I already expect that level of skepticism from any intelligent human being. The bottom line unfortunately, as with subjects like OBE's, Astral projection and NDE's (which I have experienced all of them, some intentionally, others..like this 11:11 phenomenon..not so much) the one thing I find in common is that it is nearly impossible to express the full breadth of the phenomenon to someone who isn't experiencing it.

There is much more to the phenomenon than you might think, if you're observing from an outside perspective. For me, I am intelligent enough to understand and recognize probabilities, for instance the chance of winning the lottery twice in a row...or even three times...Yet, even so, I wouldn't attach any Devine or unique meaning to it, barely would ponder the odds of such a happening. BUT, this.....is an profoundly new level of probabilities happening not just once, twice, three times but all the time! The innate Intelligence within all of us is able to recognize auspicious patterns. This is one of them.

Regardless to the origins or causes of such a phenomenon experienced by certain people, you can never pin point any particular causal factor. Just imagine, turning off your reading device after reading my post and it was 11:11. Then that night as you tell your wife how you were debating with this online hopeful romantic about special messages from the universe..you look a receipt she's holding with $11.11 on it. In the middle of the same night, a cat jumps on your head, you wake up and it's 11:11pm. Then imagine ten fold absurd circumstances leading to seeing 11:11. Project this through the the years and just imagine how suspect you would be...ah yes..the old argument about probabilities and minds tendency to seek out specific patterns. Then one day a clock falls on your head, cracks your skull and it's 11:11. Was that your tendency to seek specific numbers now?

It's easy for you to assume that this is a result of the mind's ability to recognize certain patterns and numbers and draw a higher focus to them against the background of everything else that unfolds before the eyes. And YES, I would agree that it is difficult not to recognize specific number sequences and patterns being forced in front of your face on an unending basis. BUT it's more than simply YOU noticing numbers. The outside world also colludes to bring this about, life itself seems to collude to bring you to see these numbers even if there's no clock around. The circumstances which bring that particular number in your FACE, there is no ONE way or pattern of emergence it can be specifically attributed to. It can happen anywhere, everywhere, through any and all mediums, through you or someone else. No way to escape having your face grabbed and squashed up against it. THAT is what brings the phenomenon to a whole new level, to anybody, I don't care who they are.
Because there, you can't attribute it to anything having to do with your specific brain/body organism. The external Life itself is the primary causal factor and you can have no control over 99% of the causal factors leading up to these circumstances.
Sorry to drag my response.
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posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: Visitor2012

Interesting reply, thankyou. I have some new things to consider now.

I'm going to leave out OBE's, Astral projection and NDE's, as these have completely acceptable naturalistic explanations that do not contradict what is claimed to be experienced by those who have had them. I myself have experienced OBE, and what I felt and saw fit exactly with what I would expect, according to the neurological explanation..

"Synchronicity" is another kettle of fish however, and much less legitimate research has been done on it.

The point of my experiment is to attempt to experience the phenomena myself, and gain the insight you rightly point out that I am lacking; I have met some success so far. If it reaches the point of frequency and reality bending you are describing with 11:11, I'm unsure as to what conclusions I could draw. I suppose only time will tell at this stage, I am open to alternative explanations provided they have a reasonable basis. What it comes down to, I believe, is what can be expected to occur and how do the events that actually occur differ.

I appreciate that you "would attach no Divine or unique meaning to it", and "barely would ponder the odds of such a happening", as these things often disrupt objectivity, and serve little purpose other than to reinforce biases. The tricky part is to establish at what point a "profoundly new level of probabilities" occurs, and how we can recognise it objectively..

Of note, I saw 842 three times today, and experienced a non-842 coincidence as well, shortly before reading your reply. It's still relatively early days, but I do believe that the frequency will continue to increase as time goes on. I'm not sure what to expect other than that, and while it is tempting to predict that my opinion will not change, I can not rule out evidence coming to light that may cause this.

I will wait and see what external life collisions occur to throw up 842, and make more of an effort to be detailed in my note taking of the environmental factors surrounding it.

Thankyou again for your contribution, it is valued.





posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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Your experiment sounds intriguing. Although it's difficult for me to imagine how I could personally influence these numbers to come. It's not like you're trying to randomly look at the clock in hopes you will see some consistent number results. Not like that at all, because it reveals itself DESPITE your efforts and intentions. Also, There are weeks when I get rediculous 11:11's, then nothing for a week. I don't see 11:11 on clock, I don't see 11:11 anywhere. Then the faucet turns back on for 3 months straight. If this was about clocked pattern recognitions... Why such a gap?

Say, for example, you decided to give up the experiment, you go outside to go to the store and your odometer read 84.20? If you look right, it'll slap you from the left. You look left, it slaps you on the right. Put the clock away? Bam! 8.42 gallons of gas in the tank the next morning, get back on the street Bam! 8:42am.

At what point would you begin to develop a SERIOUS suspicion to these happenings? And would a lectures about statistical probabilities, and monkey brain pattern recognition satisfy you? Highly doubtful. Anyway, I enjoyed this conversation.


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posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: Visitor2012
a reply to: spygeek

Your experiment sounds intriguing. Although it's difficult for me to imagine how I could personally influence these numbers to come. It's not like you're trying to randomly look at the clock in hopes you will see some consistent number results. Not like that at all, because it reveals itself DESPITE your efforts and intentions. Also, There are weeks when I get rediculous 11:11's, then nothing for a week. I don't see 11:11 on clock, I don't see 11:11 anywhere. Then the faucet turns back on for 3 months straight. If this was about clocked pattern recognitions... Why such a gap?


It's not so much that I am consciously attempting to influence these numbers to come, I am simply making a note of when they do come. I have had similar clustering of instances of 842, followed by periods of it not occurring.. It is not just simply "clocked" pattern recognition, it is a predetermined, subconscious numerical pattern fixation. My hypothesis is that your subconscious begins to look for it and find it without conscious awareness; i.e. trees falling in a forest that shape out 1111 would only be recognised as such if the subconscious was primed to notice 1111 in the first place.


Say, for example, you decided to give up the experiment, you go outside to go to the store and your odometer read 84.20? If you look right, it'll slap you from the left. You look left, it slaps you on the right. Put the clock away? Bam! 8.42 gallons of gas in the tank the next morning, get back on the street Bam! 8:42am.


This is exactly what is happening. I forget about the experiment and get on with my life, and then "Bam!", 842.


At what point would you begin to develop a SERIOUS suspicion to these happenings? And would a lectures about statistical probabilities, and monkey brain pattern recognition satisfy you? Highly doubtful. Anyway, I enjoyed this conversation.


I'm not sure at what point I would attribute these happenings to more than my own subjective bias, that is the point of the experiment; to find out if such a point exists. Will it reach a point at which I have to accept there has to be an external influence to explain it?
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posted on Mar, 16 2016 @ 03:47 AM
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originally posted by: spygeek
So, what did the jinn and fallen angel messengers do before digital clocks and timers were invented? Is this only a recent plot of theirs to drag people away from Christianity?

How is 842 viewed as a geometric form? How is this relevant?

What are these five spiritual elements going to do once they manifest on Earth? Why will they all have scarred thumbs?

Is the sole basis for all of this your own dream fantasy? Is there any real world, objective basis for it at all?

The jinn would have used sacred geometry instead.

Example. In numerology there are what are called, Master Numbers. These include 224, 336, 448.
From the numbers you can see they are vertices creating a final shape.
224 = 2 vertical bars. Joining the vertices creates a rectangle.
336 = 2 triangles overlapping to construct a hexagon. As Above so Below symbol.
448 = 2 squares (1 at 0 deg, the other at 45 deg) overlapping creating a octagon.




The police have been under mind control through sacred geometry through the 3rd eye for centuries.

So your 248 is mind control where the jinn want you to be a slave for them.

Ever since Ancient Greek times, sacred geometry has existed. Now new age 11:11 has replaced the old. There is nothing new under the Sun.

i believe when the 5 elements manifest on this planet, they will take control of the world from the current elite. The elite will naturally resist and be destroyed in the process. Its now either comply or die for them.

The scars are a sort of unique identification and cannot be faked.

Hopefully by mid-April what i have speculated will be reality. We will see.



posted on Mar, 16 2016 @ 03:12 PM
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..... I did not know this.



posted on Mar, 16 2016 @ 03:16 PM
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I've re-read this thread and i think i agree with you. Unless it's been highlighted to you you wouldn't be looking for 11:11.

With that in mind i assume people do this with other subjects?



posted on Mar, 16 2016 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: Rapha
The jinn would have used sacred geometry instead.


What actually makes "sacred geometry" sacred? How can it be used to control people? Isn't it just naturally occurring math and geometry that have had some kind of spiritual significance attached to them? How can mathematics be shown to be a product of jinn?


Example. In numerology there are what are called, Master Numbers. These include 224, 336, 448.
From the numbers you can see they are vertices creating a final shape.
224 = 2 vertical bars. Joining the vertices creates a rectangle.
336 = 2 triangles overlapping to construct a hexagon. As Above so Below symbol.
448 = 2 squares (1 at 0 deg, the other at 45 deg) overlapping creating a octagon.


Not seeing 842 in there..


The police have been under mind control through sacred geometry through the 3rd eye for centuries.


Simple mathematics and geometry is used by Islamic mythological beings to control the minds of police officers through the Hindu head chakra? Is that what you are saying? Just trying to get my head around this..


So your 248 is mind control where the jinn want you to be a slave for them.


It's 842, but aside from that, how exactly does my noticing this number through my own conscious will make me a slave to these beings? What actions are they influencing me to carry out for them? To what end is my slavery directed?


Ever since Ancient Greek times, sacred geometry has existed. Now new age 11:11 has replaced the old. There is nothing new under the Sun.


This is all quite new to me, I'm afraid. I was aware that some people attach spiritual significance to some geometric shapes, but this idea that Islamic mythological beings are behind it and using it control the minds of humanity is a whole other level I wasn't aware of..

Indeed, superstitious beliefs like numerology and sacred geometry have been around for a long time, their longevity doesn't imply they are correct or rational beliefs though..


I believe when the 5 elements manifest on this planet, they will take control of the world from the current elite. The elite will naturally resist and be destroyed in the process. Its now either comply or die for them.


Who are the current elite? Is it even possible for a select "elite" to be in control of the world? What do the elements want our planet for anyway? What is so important about Earth that makes the "elements" of earth, wind, fire, water and spirit want to take it over? Aren't earth, wind, fire and water naturally occurring substances on this planet in the first place?


The scars are a sort of unique identification and cannot be faked.


But why do they have this identification in the first place? Wouldn't it be better for them if they didn't have this distinctive marking? How did they get the thumb scars? Who gave it to them? Did they burn themselves trying to light cigars?


Hopefully by mid-April what i have speculated will be reality. We will see.


I seriously doubt such things could ever take place in reality, relying as they do on things that don't exist in reality; mythological beings, imaginary supernatural forces, and made-up spiritual significance attached to perfectly normal mathematics and geometry..

We will see indeed, Rapha, my good man.
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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: spygeek

With that in mind i assume people do this with other subjects?



Indeed they do. Any idea or subject can become the star of a subconscious fixation.

It appears to happen a lot with people and their posts on ats, I have noticed..



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: spygeek
What actually makes "sacred geometry" sacred?

So many questions. Well here goes.

When geometry is mixed with numerology and sound its result is levitation and divination. In other words, a link with the gods is possible. The levitation part is how UFO's fly. It is sacred because it is replicating the Word (frequency) of God.


How can it be used to control people?

Well at present the 11:11 controls 75 million people who have put their faith in seeing numbers everyday for the past 10-20 years.


Isn't it just naturally occurring math and geometry that have had some kind of spiritual significance attached to them?

Its gives money and success to sinners. Example: Take the book/film titled The 39 steps. The author and director made a lot of money from either because the devil likes the number. 39 = 13 x 3 or in hell's terms, Rebellion x Unclean Trinity. So logically, the devil will reward both author and director with money for exploiting Gods numbers for his own pleasure on this planet.

Look at how many company logo's use the equalateral triangle. In geometry, a triangle is 180 degrees. 60+60+60. In numerology, 0 is null so the company logo is basically 666. Again the unclean trinity is there in the triangle.
2 examples of companies with 666 in the logo; a) Mercedes, b) Disney. Both are very successful companies because the devil likes his code in their logo.

9/11 or Complete (9) Sin (11). Look at how the devil rewarded the elite and the military with war contracts after that sinful day on September 11 2001.

555 = Death and change. 555 Days after Sept 11 2001, Iraq got invaded. Iraq received both death and change for the worse.


Simple mathematics and geometry is used by Islamic mythological beings to control the minds of police officers through the Hindu head chakra? Is that what you are saying? Just trying to get my head around this..

Mark Passio sums all of this up in



It's 842, but aside from that, how exactly does my noticing this number through my own conscious will make me a slave to these beings? What actions are they influencing me to carry out for them? To what end is my slavery directed?

You are devoting your time to 842 and stepping away from Jesus Christ. The devil wants you to do this and not to be saved from eternal damnation.


Who are the current elite? Is it even possible for a select "elite" to be in control of the world?

The devil already controls this world via fiat money. The banksters (elite) work for the devil.


What do the elements want our planet for anyway?

They believe that humans have had their chance to make things work. With the endless wars, humans have completely screwed this planet up and now face their own demise.


What is so important about Earth that makes the "elements" of earth, wind, fire, water and spirit want to take it over?

The djinn were here before Lucifer ordered them to obey humans. They got p1ssed off and caused the Apple of Knowledge Event. Similar to Morpheus giving Neo the red pill and showing him that he (Adam) is a slave for the Annunaki.


Aren't earth, wind, fire and water naturally occurring substances on this planet in the first place?

Not much point when its all going to be radioactive soon thanks to Fukushima and rising sea levels.



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 08:33 AM
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Well then.
There is no point because radiation. Also, Jesus, but not Adam and eve who were slaves to the Annunaki, but UFOs use the word of god to fly, but Jinn were older than gods creation, even though they were made up in recent memory.

Ok.

Sage words. Also numbers.....

also, when was the devil invented? Do you mean lucifer or satan or the devil? You must have studied this very well and know the introduction of each into historical memory. Which did the Rome make, Constantine? Athens, the gnostics?

You are the sage scholar.

Do you think you may need to take both pills Morpheus gives just to be sure?

This is the danger of religion. It makes for controlled insanity that sounds great and offers itself to others so they too go crazy.

Historical literature would serve you better.




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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: tadaman
also, when was the devil invented?

Shaytan class of Djinn is where the the name HaSatan originated from. The Jinn leader's name is Iblis.

The Annunaki that the Vatican obeys, classed the neutral Jinn as the enemy after Iblis (Morpheus) showed Adam (Neo) that he was a slave for the Annunaki.


Do you think you may need to take both pills Morpheus gives just to be sure?

And so the insults begin. This is exactly why daemons laugh at humans. Humans are so predictable with pride.


Historical literature would serve you better.

The Book of Enoch is good enough for now. At least it has the truth concerning the fallen watchers who created the Rephaim.

Will not matter soon when every human dies in an all out war before the end of this year.

As already mentioned 555 means death and change. Iraq found that out 555 days after Sept 11 2001.

5555 days after September 11 2001 will be Nov 26 2016.

If humans do not evolve by that day, 7 billion humans will perish soon after that date.
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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 01:14 PM
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Ok so you say we are all going to die in an all out war before the end of the year. Cool.

Can you stop calling people demons since we are all going to die anyways? Its rude as hell and morbid.

But hey, I will make it a point to check back to this thread to remind you of your prediction from time to time

Since you know the end of the world will come soon and can know when.....something every single sacred text says no mortal man will know.

Also, satan....you got that wrong. How surprising

Its cool though. You got everything else wrong to. I only hope you dont drive another healthy human insane with this crap....before the end and all.

What happened to the radiation thing? I thought that was the thing to lose hope over.....now its war.

How about YOU lose hope and stop trying to convince others to join you.

Typical religiosity.


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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 02:19 PM
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Ok. I completely understand now.

As none of this is based in reality, and none of it really pertains to my experiment, I'm going to have to stop this off topic nonsense now.

Continue to believe what you like, just know that there is no demonstrable basis, evidential or logical, for any of your claims.

It's very imaginative, and the convoluted rationale behind it is somewhat entertaining, but none of it can be said to be fact. As you said yourself:


originally posted by: Rapha
just my 2 cents based on a recent dream.


God speed Rapha, perhaps you can start a thread about all this, rather than continue to post about it here?



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