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originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: DJW001
What mockery? You're the one slinging bad puns.
originally posted by: IAMTAT
Whereas 'Straw Man' arguments are the stock in trade of the Left.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: IAMTAT
Ridicule, not discourse again. No wonder you like Trump; ridicule is his stock in trade.
Ridiculous.
Try making some sense, and people may begin to take your arguments seriously.
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: amazing
I'd be more specific. Modern socialism isn't just helping people. It is taking from someone else to help others. This is the difference. See progressives love to dig in my pocket to help someone else.
As a conservative, I don't mind helping others. I do it all the time. I just don't like having my hard earned money stolen by the government and given to someone else.
I think the issue is that both conservatives and progressives want to help people. we just have different approaches. Conservatives rather charity begin at home and locally. Progressives want the government to do everything.
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: amazing
I'd be more specific. Modern socialism isn't just helping people. It is taking from someone else to help others. This is the difference. See progressives love to dig in my pocket to help someone else.
As a conservative, I don't mind helping others. I do it all the time. I just don't like having my hard earned money stolen by the government and given to someone else.
I think the issue is that both conservatives and progressives want to help people. we just have different approaches. Conservatives rather charity begin at home and locally. Progressives want the government to do everything.
Look I'm all for smaller government, but you guys keep saying...that you don't want government taking money from your pockets to help other people and that it should be family and local communities that help each other. That's fine in theory.
Except it just doesn't work out like that all the time. There are thousands of scenarios like -Everyone else in your immediate family is dead-you immigrated (legally to escape death) and you had a catastrophic accident at work-your parents died in a car wreck-your community(church, friends, family and employement) was wiped out in a natural disaster...etc.
So what do you do with that homeless child with no family, that homeless guy that got brain damaged in a car wreck, that guy that lost everything and is homeless and sick, that family without health insurance because of ObamaCare, that wounded Vet from IRAQ...
Do we just let them rot and die on the streets? That's what your saying you'd like us to do. If you're saying you'd like us to help them a little bit at least keep them alive for a few days and stop that little homeless boy from becoming a male prostitute, then you're saying you would like some socialism but only to a degree. Yes?
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: amazing
I'd be more specific. Modern socialism isn't just helping people. It is taking from someone else to help others. This is the difference. See progressives love to dig in my pocket to help someone else.
As a conservative, I don't mind helping others. I do it all the time. I just don't like having my hard earned money stolen by the government and given to someone else.
I think the issue is that both conservatives and progressives want to help people. we just have different approaches. Conservatives rather charity begin at home and locally. Progressives want the government to do everything.
Look I'm all for smaller government, but you guys keep saying...that you don't want government taking money from your pockets to help other people and that it should be family and local communities that help each other. That's fine in theory.
Except it just doesn't work out like that all the time. There are thousands of scenarios like -Everyone else in your immediate family is dead-you immigrated (legally to escape death) and you had a catastrophic accident at work-your parents died in a car wreck-your community(church, friends, family and employement) was wiped out in a natural disaster...etc.
So what do you do with that homeless child with no family, that homeless guy that got brain damaged in a car wreck, that guy that lost everything and is homeless and sick, that family without health insurance because of ObamaCare, that wounded Vet from IRAQ...
Do we just let them rot and die on the streets? That's what your saying you'd like us to do. If you're saying you'd like us to help them a little bit at least keep them alive for a few days and stop that little homeless boy from becoming a male prostitute, then you're saying you would like some socialism but only to a degree. Yes?
Why do you assume people are going to die in the streets if the federal government isn't involved? There are all kinds of local charities and services to serve those in need. I see it all the time in my local community where people VOLUNTARILY band together to help a family, person, or someone in need whether it is money, clothing, food, shelter, health care, etc.
I believe serving the needy is best done locally.
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: Edumakated
originally posted by: amazing
originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: amazing
I'd be more specific. Modern socialism isn't just helping people. It is taking from someone else to help others. This is the difference. See progressives love to dig in my pocket to help someone else.
As a conservative, I don't mind helping others. I do it all the time. I just don't like having my hard earned money stolen by the government and given to someone else.
I think the issue is that both conservatives and progressives want to help people. we just have different approaches. Conservatives rather charity begin at home and locally. Progressives want the government to do everything.
Look I'm all for smaller government, but you guys keep saying...that you don't want government taking money from your pockets to help other people and that it should be family and local communities that help each other. That's fine in theory.
Except it just doesn't work out like that all the time. There are thousands of scenarios like -Everyone else in your immediate family is dead-you immigrated (legally to escape death) and you had a catastrophic accident at work-your parents died in a car wreck-your community(church, friends, family and employement) was wiped out in a natural disaster...etc.
So what do you do with that homeless child with no family, that homeless guy that got brain damaged in a car wreck, that guy that lost everything and is homeless and sick, that family without health insurance because of ObamaCare, that wounded Vet from IRAQ...
Do we just let them rot and die on the streets? That's what your saying you'd like us to do. If you're saying you'd like us to help them a little bit at least keep them alive for a few days and stop that little homeless boy from becoming a male prostitute, then you're saying you would like some socialism but only to a degree. Yes?
Why do you assume people are going to die in the streets if the federal government isn't involved? There are all kinds of local charities and services to serve those in need. I see it all the time in my local community where people VOLUNTARILY band together to help a family, person, or someone in need whether it is money, clothing, food, shelter, health care, etc.
I believe serving the needy is best done locally.
Look, I see it too. Especially in Vegas with Catholic Charities and all kinds of non profits helping people that have no funding from the government. It's huge, but in reality, it's a small drop in the bucket.
If hospitals stopped serving people without health insurance how many people would die? If there was no medicaid or medicare where would those people turn to for healthcare? If ambulances stopped responding to homeless people, what would happen to them? If all welfare was cut off, how many people would lose homes and turn to crime. Serious questions. Secondly, if there was not federal or state funding for education, how would my children get educated? I couldn't afford a private school and my wife and I both work, we wouldn't be able to home school and then how would we be able to afford day care or a baysitter during the day? These are all serious concerns if you stopped all "socialism".