Nine Numbers That Cry Out: "Bring On Bernie!"

a reply to: FyreByrd

I just don't think Bernie can win. I will vote for him if he gets that far.

He is by far the best candidate

WARNING:

Bernie has admitted he needs help to do anything.

So if he's elected without a democratic congress he won't be able to do much and he has admitted to that already

that's why you like him because he's honest

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: FyreByrd

I just don't think Bernie can win. I will vote for him if he gets that far.

He is by far the best candidate

WARNING:

Bernie has admitted he needs help to do anything.

So if he's elected without a democratic congress he won't be able to do much and he has admitted to that already

that's why you like him because he's honest

Yes and he is talking about issues that matter, I would hope, to everyone.

Ick! Who wants to feel something that "Berns"! Anything that starts out as a fiery berning feeling, usually starts to itch and a nasty rash forms. Then these pustules begin growing, oozing and bleeding, just spreading it around your body further. Eventually decaying away what used to be a human form... At least I think that's how Socialism works...

Show me an example of Socialist government that has worked, any where in the world, at any time. The question you should be asking yourself, is not "Who is Bernie Sanders?". It should be "Who is John Galt?"

a reply to: FyreByrd

I agree. Deregulating the banks back in the 80's was one of the worst decisions our country has ever done.

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: interupt42

Yea, it's creating a weird catch-22. We have plenty of houses to sell to willing buyers, but we also need to create a demand for new houses to keep construction companies from going out of business. Then you have banks who are trying to make a profit off of foreclosed homes that they sold under shady lending practices sitting more houses to drive up house prices. Though it looks sneaky, it's actually helping the construction industry. Though I see a new housing bubble on the horizon.

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and people without a living wage can't buy a house at any price....

Right. That's why I said I see another housing bubble on the horizon. It's all artificially propping up the system instead of actually fixing what's broke about it.

It's like throwing water on an electrical fire. The fire may go out, but you are also destroying what's left of your electronics in the process. There is a reason you use CO2 on electrical fires and not water.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
... can't help speculating that we are paying for it now which the inequalities and unrest around the world, a state of constant war with internecine hatreds getting worse everyday, and the total rape of the planet?

Any light to share?

I also look to how 'religion' was used to 'sell' this destructive ideology - it makes one almost believe about the 'reptile overlords'.

We have met the reptilian overlords, and they are us.

Well, my thinking is that much of the world turned to fundamentalism in religion around 1980s. Heck, I remember when Afghanistan was a modern country in the 1960-70s, before the Taliban. The Saudis, connected to extreme Islam, became even more powerful when Reagan signaled that Carter's alternative energy plan was not to be. Jewish, Buddhist, you name it, fundamentalism reared it's ugly head in locations.

The US, being one of the superpowers, then becoming THE superpower with the disintegration of the USSR, was promoting fundamentalist conservative Christianity along with its conservative economic agenda. With that much power behind it, no wonder Christian fundamentalism took off.

This is from 1981....

On May 15 the National Council of Churches’ Governing Board, which consists of 266 delegates from 32 denominations, made one of the most courageous statements that I can remember coming from such a representative church body. .... The statement declared that the Reagan administration is trying to remake America, that it threatens "the vision of America as the model and embodiment of a just and, humane society" After many specific criticisms of policies, it says of the administration’s vision of America that "the fittest survive and prosper, and there is little room for public purpose since it interferes with private gain, . . . and government is at best a necessary evil which must be strong enough to protect privilege from assault but kept too weak to impose public responsibility on private prerogative." This is also a description of the vision of America held by the Moral Majority and the religious right.

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Oh, rape of the planet? Check this out, again from the same source, 1981.... (describing the great use of conservative Christianity principles to justify raping the Earth)

For example, there is the common emphasis on otherworldly salvation for individual souls, with no corresponding emphasis on the social conditions that oppress and distort those souls and with no concern for justice in this world. Larger structural social problems, it is felt, can wait for the Second Coming. One recalls the recent occasion on which Secretary of the Interior James Watt dismissed the idea that it might be important to conserve resources for future generations -- because there may not be many generations before the Second Coming of Christ.

The author of this essay warned us, but he believed that it would soon go away. He could not see the technological advances of satellite tv helping to further the cause, and he was not cynical enough to believe that it would spread.

Well, it is best to be hopeful. The old must die away to make way for the new. These are the pains of childbirth before humanity advances to the next level.

originally posted by: FyreByrd


You ARE talking about the grants (handouts) to banks, arms manufacturers, pharma companys and all those other private entities that benefit from reasearch done on OUR middle class dimes without paying it back? Those handouts.

Why is is 'evil' to give a person a 'handout' but a 'virtue' to give 'handouts' to psychopathic businesses?

Far too few American voters are even aware of the cost of corporate welfare. And the decreasing share of Federal Income Tax paid by the bottom simply shows why inequality hurts us all. They don't have enough wealth to pay a share of the taxes since the first portion of income, poverty level income basically, is exempt from taxation. We let them eat, basically. Pay them more and they will pay taxes, and total revenue will go up. A dying middle class is bad for everone in the end, for when they lack the resources to consume, the owners start suffering as well.

originally posted by: smitastrophe
Ick! Who wants to feel something that "Berns"! Anything that starts out as a fiery berning feeling, usually starts to itch and a nasty rash forms. Then these pustules begin growing, oozing and bleeding, just spreading it around your body further. Eventually decaying away what used to be a human form... At least I think that's how Socialism works...

Show me an example of Socialist government that has worked, any where in the world, at any time. The question you should be asking yourself, is not "Who is Bernie Sanders?". It should be "Who is John Galt?"

According to Forbes Magazine, social democracies like Sanders backs are very successful:

World's Happiest Places A new report reveals where people feel most positive about their lives By Lauren Sherman Where in the world do people feel most content with their lives? According to a new report released by the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD), a Paris-based group of 30 countries with democratic governments that provides economic and social statistics and data, happiness levels are highest in northern European countries. Denmark, Finland and the Netherlands rated at the top of the list, ranking first, second and third, respectively. Outside Europe, New Zealand and Canada landed at Nos. 8 and 6, respectively. The U.S. did not crack the top 10. Switzerland placed seventh and Belgium placed tenth. The report looked at subjective well-being, defined as life satisfaction.

Show me an example of Socialist government that has worked, any where in the world, at any time. The question you should be asking yourself, is not "Who is Bernie Sanders?". It should be "Who is John Galt?"

Your point is moot because Bernie is not advocating a Socialist government. He is advocating for Socialist elements to be included where they would be extremely effective (like single-payer healthcare, which provides better coverage and is less expensive than the current system.) Yes, pure Socialism is extremely destructive, I don't think anyone would disagree with that, but that's not what Bernie's going for.