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Nine Numbers That Cry Out: "Bring On Bernie!"

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posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 09:19 AM
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I found these 'items' or numbers to be quite thought provoking. It's doesn't necessarily scream "Feel the Bern" but he has got better answers to these questions that are not being addressed by the majority of politicians during this election circus. I'll quote the nine points, as state by the author of the piece:




1. Terrorism: You're about as Likely to be Killed by a Toddler as a Terrorist

2. Big Business: $296,000 is Spent on Stock Buybacks for Every Job Created

3. Big Business: A 4-Cent Antibiotic Tablet Surges to $3.70 in One Year

4. Inequality: Unregulated Capitalism Allows ONE Person or Family to Own Nearly 1/1000 of Our ENTIRE National Wealth

5. Inequality: A Poor Man Lives 13 Years Less Than a Rich Man

6. Poverty: Middle-Class Housing was 15% of American Wealth in 1985. Now it's 5%.

7. Poverty: There are 29 Available Homes for Every Homeless American

8. Poverty: The Median Wealth of Young Adults Dropped 68% in 25 Years

9. Poverty: For Every 2 Homeless and Hungry Kids Ten Years Ago, There Are Now 3



www.commondreams.org...

I'm particularly shocked by numbers 2, 3, 6, 7 & 8; the rest seem obvious and hardly worth discussing.

The points, expanded upon in the article, I notice are all functions of run away greed. Or if you prefer, free market capitalism. You can argue all you like that "it's the only way it's ever been" or "it's all about self-reliance" or "private property!!!!!" or ... you get the idea. But, more of the same in terms of policy and action by corporate sponsored/run government will just increase these numbers. To the more 'conspiracy' minded among us - this is the very definition of the word and the only 'logical' endgame is mass chaos, death and destruction.

What I don't understand (actually - I do) why people continue to support the 'status quo' of voodoo economics as Bush I called raygunomics.

I watched an interesting video the other night, looked into the background of the interviewer and interviewee and found them credible that I wanted to share as well for those interested. It's only tangentially off this topic but exposes the underlying systemic roots of these damning numbers:



An interview on teleSur (spanish) tv between Abby Martin and




Abby Martin interviews retired U.S. Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former national security advisor to the Reagan administration, who spent years as an assistant to Secretary of State Colin Powell during both Bush administrations. Today, he is honest about the unfixable corruption inside the establishment and the corporate interests driving foreign policy.



We have to stop feeding the machine by endorsing more of the same - it's insane to believe that doing the same things that history prove doesn't improve the lives of any but a very few and be courageous enough to consider and try new approaches.

Happy Monday




posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 10:28 AM
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Another good title for your thread would've been: 'Nine Numbers That Cry Out: "Obama Sucks As President''
edit on 21-12-2015 by IAMTAT because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd


We have to stop feeding the machine by endorsing more of the same - it's insane to believe that doing the same things that history prove doesn't improve the lives of any but a very few and be courageous enough to consider and try new approaches.

Happy Monday




Very true..
We need to stop corruption.. period.
To you last statement.
History has proven time and time again that socialism and communism do not work and never have.
That will and has all ways lead to more worse then you feel is happening now.
This puts a Very Select few in charge to rape the country and you and I will be working for the same pay in the same dump, we will not prosper from our hard work.
Look at it this way.
We both make boxes and get paid the same.
You make 10 boxes to my one... we get paid the same.
You are faster and work harder then I.
So you are gonna tell me your not gonna slow down because I will never speed up?
Why would I work harder, I get the same pay as you.
Why would you keep that pace when you get paid more then I?
This is the human nature of things.
That is why you should get paid more then me, you do more work.
If I want more pay then I have to step up my game.
The problem does need to be addressed, but going away from free market / capitalism is not it.
They are not the issue, the issue is as you said those that are corrupt.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

Really? That's what you get from this? Like these things happened on his watch. These issues go WAY beyond Obama and what he has or hasn't done. These are long-standing trends. You think if Romney had won any of this would have changed (for the better that is)?



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
Another good title for your thread would've been: 'Nine Numbers That Cry Out: "Obama Sucks As President''


Obama may suck as president, but he, like the ones before him are merely front men. He has no actual power, he's just a public face controlled by the shadows who NEVER change. They change the face periodically to give the illusion of democracy and choice. The system never changes, the rich always stay and get even richer and the poor get poorer.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

Number 7 doesn't surprise me. I've known for quite a while that banks are sitting on VERY large surpluses of houses that aren't being listed because it would crash home prices in the country. My parents' house that was foreclosed on them in 2010 is one of them.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: Firefly_

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Another good title for your thread would've been: 'Nine Numbers That Cry Out: "Obama Sucks As President''


Obama may suck as president, but he, like the ones before him are merely front men. He has no actual power, he's just a public face controlled by the shadows who NEVER change. They change the face periodically to give the illusion of democracy and choice. The system never changes, the rich always stay and get even richer and the poor get poorer.



Well if the president is just a front man, why the hell would I bother voting for bernie? He couldn't do anything he's promising anyway.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: FyreByrd

Number 7 doesn't surprise me. I've known for quite a while that banks are sitting on VERY large surpluses of houses that aren't being listed because it would crash home prices in the country. My parents' house that was foreclosed on them in 2010 is one of them.


Yep i have seen the first hand as well. I know of 3 houses that were foreclosed that sat unlisted in mls and with no info whatsoever for 3-5 years. One even longer that is just getting listed.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: jtma508

The Obama hate crowd will always do the blame game no matter how ridiculous it is. It's really getting old.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: interupt42

Yea, it's creating a weird catch-22. We have plenty of houses to sell to willing buyers, but we also need to create a demand for new houses to keep construction companies from going out of business. Then you have banks who are trying to make a profit off of foreclosed homes that they sold under shady lending practices sitting more houses to drive up house prices. Though it looks sneaky, it's actually helping the construction industry. Though I see a new housing bubble on the horizon.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
I found these 'items' or numbers to be quite thought provoking. It's doesn't necessarily scream "Feel the Bern" but he has got better answers to these questions that are not being addressed by the majority of politicians during this election circus. I'll quote the nine points, as state by the author of the piece:




1. Terrorism: You're about as Likely to be Killed by a Toddler as a Terrorist

2. Big Business: $296,000 is Spent on Stock Buybacks for Every Job Created

3. Big Business: A 4-Cent Antibiotic Tablet Surges to $3.70 in One Year

4. Inequality: Unregulated Capitalism Allows ONE Person or Family to Own Nearly 1/1000 of Our ENTIRE National Wealth

5. Inequality: A Poor Man Lives 13 Years Less Than a Rich Man

6. Poverty: Middle-Class Housing was 15% of American Wealth in 1985. Now it's 5%.

7. Poverty: There are 29 Available Homes for Every Homeless American

8. Poverty: The Median Wealth of Young Adults Dropped 68% in 25 Years

9. Poverty: For Every 2 Homeless and Hungry Kids Ten Years Ago, There Are Now 3



www.commondreams.org...

I'm particularly shocked by numbers 2, 3, 6, 7 & 8; the rest seem obvious and hardly worth discussing.

The points, expanded upon in the article, I notice are all functions of run away greed. Or if you prefer, free market capitalism. You can argue all you like that "it's the only way it's ever been" or "it's all about self-reliance" or "private property!!!!!" or ... you get the idea. But, more of the same in terms of policy and action by corporate sponsored/run government will just increase these numbers. To the more 'conspiracy' minded among us - this is the very definition of the word and the only 'logical' endgame is mass chaos, death and destruction.

What I don't understand (actually - I do) why people continue to support the 'status quo' of voodoo economics as Bush I called raygunomics.

I watched an interesting video the other night, looked into the background of the interviewer and interviewee and found them credible that I wanted to share as well for those interested. It's only tangentially off this topic but exposes the underlying systemic roots of these damning numbers:



An interview on teleSur (spanish) tv between Abby Martin and




Abby Martin interviews retired U.S. Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former national security advisor to the Reagan administration, who spent years as an assistant to Secretary of State Colin Powell during both Bush administrations. Today, he is honest about the unfixable corruption inside the establishment and the corporate interests driving foreign policy.



We have to stop feeding the machine by endorsing more of the same - it's insane to believe that doing the same things that history prove doesn't improve the lives of any but a very few and be courageous enough to consider and try new approaches.

Happy Monday




1. AGREE. However, why doesn't the same logic apply to gun rights? Unless you are a gangbanger, the odds of being killed by a gun are just as miniscule, so why should law abiding citizens have their rights trampled on for something that is so statistically insignificant?

2. This makes zero sense. Stock buybacks occur when corporations feel their shares are undervalued. It has nothing to do with job creation.

3.There is probably more to the story.

4. Inequality? Why is it progressives only care about inequality when it comes to other people's wealthy, but they never want to share the pain of actually paying taxes? Top 5% of income earners pay like 80% of the taxes. Let's redistribute the burden so the unproductive are carrying their weight.

5. I guess that wouldn't have anything to do with poor lifestyle choices now wouldn't it?

6. Need to be more specific. Is it that housing values have fallen or more people's wealth is tied up in other assets?

7. So? The homes belong to other people whether they are vacant or not. It isn't your right to tell others what to do with their property.

8. Not surprising given how the middle class is stuck paying for all the liberal handouts and seeing their job prospects decimated by illegal immigration and globalism.

9. Poverty stats are known to be pulled out of progressive's azz, particularly when it comes to "hungry children" in the US.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

And Happy Monday to you! Here's what I observed over the years:
When voters voted for Ronald Reagan, a great many were unaware of exactly what he would do to get the double digit inflation down. They saw Reagan, much like Trump etal are seen today, as a leader who would Make America Great Again. IOW someone needed to stop "minorities", women, and liberals from asking what govt and society could do for them and to make America that shining city on the hill.

Conservatives would now determine the social culture, not liberals. It would be anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-gun. And anti-union. And anti-communist. Family values.

Unemployment would stop the roiling economy, and as soon as the economy came under control, any monetary gains would go to the top (Reagonomics). Starting in the 1980s, the working and middle class would make economic concessions in wages and benefits, but when companies made profits, profits were not shared. Through not sharing gains and enjoying tax benefits to make them richer, corporations would gain, not the "little person". But as long as people could buy things cheaper or go into debt to keep up the illusion of wealth, they weren't aware of the damage being done to them economically.

Tax breaks would lower taxes for the middle class, but they would start paying more in "user fees" for things that normally used to have no charge.

In time, the propaganda of "jobs Americans won't do" led to those very supporters of Reagan to lose the jobs they and/or their parents once worked at. So, while conservative working and middle class voters would be made to feel as if they had inherited power to change America, make it great again, via a conservative social agenda, all they got for their efforts was economic ruin.

But, hey, the invisible hand of Reaganomics could only stay in place as long as voters kept going to the polls to vote on social issues, thereby voting into office those who would go to Washington and state capitals and legislate the very economic issues that would be so detrimental to the economy of the working and middle class.

When the Tea Party arose, they were made to morph into a cute acronym. Taxed Enough Already, mouthpieces for the 1%.

Reagan was the teflon president. I don't think many of his voters were aware of what he would do economically to them, especially the "Reagan Democrats". It is precisely these people who trusted Reagan to change things around that have suffered the most.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

I want to apologize for my tardiness in replying - very bad form on my part.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: DogMeat

History has proven time and time again that socialism and communism do not work and never have.
That will and has all ways lead to more worse then you feel is happening now.



Do you know this personally or just by hearsay? My only real knowledge of 'communist' countries is by hearsay.

The Soviet Union was not a truly communist country. Granted they nationalized everything but the system of governance was anything but communist - it was a Totalitarian centralized state - run rather like a modern multi-national corporation with little to no discussions with those affected by the central elites decisions.

China is something I don't even know how to describe any more seems to be leaning in the neo-liberal/conservative mode.

But little Cuba seems to work okay for the vast majority of the population. It's a terribly poor country but has managed to educate everyone, everyone has world-class health-care, no homelessness. But it did have some brutal suppression during it's early years. In fact I heard a women interviewed, a medical minister or the like from Cuba during the 'normalization' frenzy about how they have developed, entirely on their own, a promising treatment for diabetes that saves limbs from amputation cause by circulatory degradation. I just bet the 'pharma' type are jonsing to get their hands on that and make it really - really expensive so only 'real (read wealthy) people' can afford it.

The kibbutzim of Israel have mostly (remember Israel was conceived of as a 'socialist' state for Jews) disbanded due to elitism of varying types and asset squabbles.

So yes there are problems.

As there are in Capitalist countries as well. The 'free market' is a fantasy, just as the perfectly altruistic collective is.

To say that "Socialism will never work" is thoughtless because you don't know what might work.

The social democracies of Europe have worked well since WWII untill the various recent 'financial' crises that required vast amounts of 'public' funds to prop up 'private' speculation and fraud.

Iceland didn't do that - and is making a steady comeback. They have a much more participatory system then elsewhere.

The problems you innumerate below are caused by Capitalism, caused by centralized control and systems that concentrate capital, [yellow] which is unproductive in the financial/banking cluster---- [/yellow]

I ask a simple question: Why should someone working in a field that produces nothing productive - just more 'capital' make any more then a simple clerk, or a skilled doctor? What benefit does society gain from that activity? The trash guy is more useful, the nurse is more useful, add your own....





This puts a Very Select few in charge to rape the country and you and I will be working for the same pay in the same dump, we will not prosper from our hard work.
Look at it this way.
We both make boxes and get paid the same.
You make 10 boxes to my one... we get paid the same.
You are faster and work harder then I.
So you are gonna tell me your not gonna slow down because I will never speed up?
Why would I work harder, I get the same pay as you.
Why would you keep that pace when you get paid more then I?
This is the human nature of things.
That is why you should get paid more then me, you do more work.
If I want more pay then I have to step up my game.
The problem does need to be addressed, but going away from free market / capitalism is not it.
They are not the issue, the issue is as you said those that are corrupt.


Corruption is truly the root of the problem in all systems of governing. But you have to change the human heart as well as the innately corrupt systems we operate in. Watch the video - Col Wilerson very nicely explains how it's the systems that reward 'cheating, stealing, and lying' that are near impossible to overcome.

The human heart can change - I see it everyday - and we are reaching a critical mass (which has, for lack of a better term, THEM scared) look inside, keep your mind open.

Ask yourself "How do I know this to be true?" everyday and hour.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: IAMTAT

Really? That's what you get from this? Like these things happened on his watch. These issues go WAY beyond Obama and what he has or hasn't done. These are long-standing trends. You think if Romney had won any of this would have changed (for the better that is)?




And Senator Sander's knows this which is why he is calling for a 'political revolution', a people's revolution in the truest sense.

We all want change and as Ralph Nader talks about in "Unstoppable" the left and right have many, many issues in common. A very good starting point.

But it all starts with an open mind.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: FyreByrd

Number 7 doesn't surprise me. I've known for quite a while that banks are sitting on VERY large surpluses of houses that aren't being listed because it would crash home prices in the country. My parents' house that was foreclosed on them in 2010 is one of them.


Mark Blyth author of "Austerity: The history of a Dangerous Idea" lays out just how these bubbles work and how the public, by losing their assets -homes, savings, retirement funds, etc - are paying for this endless 'game' of speculation and, frankly,
dick waving by the financial world (my scam is bigger then yours and will create more imaginary capital for my bank). He talks about, and I can't follow it very well, the 'Repo Market' where big companies lend out money for 24 hours over and over again (not investing in R&D, plant or people) being the primary cause of the recent 'bubbles' and their consequences.

Commercial properties are being used as 'collateral' in these deals now that the private housing sector is bust and not coming back any time soon.

We the people don't get our assets back but the banks don't lose a cent.

We need common - sense regulation that is strictly enforced. A law without teeth is no law at all.....



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: interupt42

Yea, it's creating a weird catch-22. We have plenty of houses to sell to willing buyers, but we also need to create a demand for new houses to keep construction companies from going out of business. Then you have banks who are trying to make a profit off of foreclosed homes that they sold under shady lending practices sitting more houses to drive up house prices. Though it looks sneaky, it's actually helping the construction industry. Though I see a new housing bubble on the horizon.


....

and people without a living wage can't buy a house at any price....



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated


1. AGREE. However, why doesn't the same logic apply to gun rights? Unless you are a gangbanger, the odds of being killed by a gun are just as miniscule, so why should law abiding citizens have their rights trampled on for something that is so statistically insignificant?



Made up statistics or from a propaganda source? Really?

Odds of dying by terrorist: 20,000,000 to 1


8) Your odds of dying in a terrorist attack are still far, far lower than dying from just about anything else. In the last five years, the odds of an American being killed in a terrorist attack have been about 1 in 20 million (that's including both domestic attacks and overseas attacks).Apr 16, 2013
Eight facts about terrorism in the United States - Washington ...
www.washingtonpost.com... Washington Post


Odds of dying by gun :514,147 to 1


Americans also have a 1 in 514,147 chance of being killed by “firearms discharge. While still considered one of the leading causes of death in the U.S., the data certainly is at odds with the mainstream media narrative that all guns are simply mass killing machines.Feb 15, 2013
How Likely Are You to Die From Gun Violence? This ...
www.theblaze.com/.../how-likely-are-you-to-die-from-gun-violen...TheBlaze


I looked it up on google - duh.






2. This makes zero sense. Stock buybacks occur when corporations feel their shares are undervalued. It has nothing to do with job creation.



Then the aren't putting their 'excess capital' into R&D, plant and personnel. It's all about 'executive bonuses'.




3.There is probably more to the story.

'

Why don't you look it up and tell us about it?




4. Inequality? Why is it progressives only care about inequality when it comes to other people's wealthy, but they never want to share the pain of actually paying taxes? Top 5% of income earners pay like 80% of the taxes. Let's redistribute the burden so the unproductive are carrying their weight.



In the same spirit "Why are all rightwingers sycophants?"

Again making up facts?

With regard to 'personal' (not corporate) income tax (not social security, medicare, etc) the top 5% pay 20.75% and the top 1% pay 37.80% for a total of 58.55% of total income tax revenues.

Almost forgot my source: www.ntu.org...




5. I guess that wouldn't have anything to do with poor lifestyle choices now wouldn't it?



Or massive adverting for said poor lifestyle choices....




6. Need to be more specific. Is it that housing values have fallen or more people's wealth is tied up in other assets?



LOL - again, look it up and let us know some facts. 50% of US citizens have NO assets to speak of.


A simple illustration shows how the homeownership rate can mislead. Suppose you have 10 friends, each living alone; five own their homes and five rent. The homeownership rate among this group is 50 percent. Then, one homeowner loses the house to foreclosure, and three renters lose their jobs and can’t afford to keep their own apartment. These four people all move in with one of the remaining homeowners. Now there remain four homeowners (one of whom is doing lots of laundry and dishes) and two renters, which means the homeownership rate went up to four out of six, or 67 percent. The homeownership rate missed the real story, which is that four of 10 dropped out of the housing market and are now couch-surfing.


economix.blogs.nytimes.com...




7. So? The homes belong to other people whether they are vacant or not. It isn't your right to tell others what to do with their property.



Private property - the god-given right of kings. Property over People always good for the soul.

Do you know that vacant homes fall apart and lose value. It's better to have people in them then on the streets - it will keep the value up.




8. Not surprising given how the middle class is stuck paying for all the liberal handouts and seeing their job prospects decimated by illegal immigration and globalism.



You ARE talking about the grants (handouts) to banks, arms manufacturers, pharma companys and all those other private entities that benefit from reasearch done on OUR middle class dimes without paying it back? Those handouts.

Why is is 'evil' to give a person a 'handout' but a 'virtue' to give 'handouts' to psychopathic businesses?




9. Poverty stats are known to be pulled out of progressive's azz, particularly when it comes to "hungry children" in the US.


Known - by whom? Who's azz? Facts not fiction please.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 05:43 PM
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I've actually heard someone tell me that a rich person deserves to live longer than a poor person, as the rich person worked hard for that "right" and probably is worth more to society than the poor person.

It made me a little sick to think that we can view ourselves as commodities and base our "worthiness" for life on our wealth.




posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: desert
a reply to: FyreByrd

And Happy Monday to you! Here's what I observed over the years:
When voters voted for Ronald Reagan, a great many were unaware of exactly what he would do to get the double digit inflation down. They saw Reagan, much like Trump etal are seen today, as a leader who would Make America Great Again. IOW someone needed to stop "minorities", women, and liberals from asking what govt and society could do for them and to make America that shining city on the hill.

Conservatives would now determine the social culture, not liberals. It would be anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-gun. And anti-union. And anti-communist. Family values.



Thank you and very nicely put.

I lived through Raygun and the Jarvis Tax revolution in California and saw it destroy the once excellent California school system and tank (I refuse to use 'crater') thousands of small businesses.

I think your analysis is correct in that the 'establishment' was concerned - deeply concerned about people from all walks of life coming together to improve the lot of all.

There was, in the aftermath of Vietnam, a Peace dividend that was halted in it's tracks by the Raygun revolution. Aerospace was 'downsizing', the whole military industrial tent was deflating. Loss of profit.

I have been thinking a lot about how the inflation of the time was halted and reversed and though I know nothing of the particulars can't help speculating that we are paying for it now which the inequalities and unrest around the world, a state of constant war with internecine hatreds getting worse everyday, and the total rape of the planet?

Any light to share?

I also look to how 'religion' was used to 'sell' this destructive ideology - it makes one almost believe about the 'reptile overlords'.
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