1) Dude, whoosh.
Is there no way for people to think these days?
Just, what is it that inspires this to continue?
The whole "I know I don't know a lot, and that guy claims to know way more, and he says this, but I don't like this, so I'm gonna talk about stuff
I know I don't know about (but he does) and tell him he's wrong because there's this huge glaring error I don't understand."
Who thinks that, then goes through with it? Do they just forego the whole 'thinking' bit, and just start saying "Science is wrong" at an early
age? Gwah, pith and vinegar, I tells ya.
2) Muzzleflash, you can't keep doing that. I'm sorry, you're obviously not stupid - you've made that clear. You just don't know everything about
it, and you're presenting the point that we don't know so we shouldn't make any claims at all. It sounds more sensible if left up to someone who
believes it, something like "We're lying", or "Claiming Theories are truth" - but anyrate, the thing you can't keep doing is the following post
structure:
General Statement of Congratulations!
Vicious attack at science!
Poorly backed up argument!
Vicious attack at scientists!
Poorly backed up argument!
Vicious attack on the way people think!
Call for upheaval, because no one knows anything!
General Congratulations!
Cookies!
-- See, you're happy, then REALLY ANGRY AND KILL SCIENCE, then happy again. I form good arguments and good logical points to say back to you, but
then I'm thrown off by this whole "Its okay though, cookies!".
So now, I'll answer you in general, Muzzleflash.
We don't know. Science doesn't know.
Do you? No.
In comparison, who knows more?
Science.
Who should put forth the likely truths, for us to inspect and analyse, and attempt to prove?
The one who knows more.
Who is?
Science.
-- Don't go off on the "Its just a theory" - because you preface everything you say with 'this is just speculation but' - see, a Theory is like a
gold medal. A real 'Scientific Theory' goes through years of tweaking and testing and observing and predicting, before it gains that name. It is a
idea, a speculation, a hypothesis, a theory, a law. These 'Theories' have been challenged by hundreds and thousands of people, and whether people
claim that the government is against them or that it's a Scientist conspiracy, their arguments are the ones with holes, and the 'Theories' are the
ones that are closest to being right.
Are scientists 100% right? No. No one says that they are. They say that the likeliest case we know of is the one proposed by the guys who worked on it
for their entire lives, instead of the one proposed by the guy who just heard someone on TV say something that made him think of something that he's
sure defeats science.
Will science change? Yes. Yes it will, and quite a bit. Science doesn't change by one upstart guy who knows very little about the field coming in and
yelling "YOUR ALL WRONG THIS IS HOW IT WORKS NOW K?" - It happens when a scientist or a group of scientists who know what's already set up look at
it, find some acknowledged problems, and then come up with ways to mend the problems.
They don't try to find new problems - there's already enough normal ones. Theories that fix these require different trains of thought, that, when
working, and applied to everything, change everything for the better. And that's when science goes through big changes. It's a bit of 'outside the
box' thought to fix a well known problem, not a wacko 'kill science' thought to fix up a problem know one knows about.
I'm sorry to rant on you about this. I feel bad - because everyone else (or, most people) have held it in, and been polite, and known that you don't
know quite how 'every other week' this kind of thing is.
The important thing is that you know none of us, (or, most of us) aren't angry, and don't hate you or your ideas, we just want to advance what we
know, which is hard to do when we're catching a new person up every week. You'll learn, and benefit, and see what was wrong with your first
thoughts, and then you'll be hanging around, and see someone saying "PHYSICS IS SO WRONG, THE BIG BANG DIDDN HAPPEN" - and you'll read it, and
think "Wow, this guy doesn't really know a lot about physics" - and then see the flood of us treating him nicely, and that one jackass (Commonly
me) ranting to hell.
It's all a fun rhythm by now.
Onto the fun stuffs.
3) Faster than Light Travel.
The thing brought up earlier, about light going faster and breaking the threshold, is commonly known as 'LightBounce' - you need 2 pulse generators,
an oscillator, and about 200 meters of cord. Coaxial cable will do.
Line up the cords, connect generators at either end, and then put an oscillator in the middle or so, and fire one pulse generator, fire the other
almost immediately after, so the second pulse hits the first, the second will strike the deteriorating first pulse and then its wave-pattern will
change, and it will 'bounce' itself ever faster, capping off far, FAR higher than lightspeed.
In total, it costs about $500 US to get the materials together.
And, in the first post, while it didn't come across as well as it could have, he may well have been bringing up Einstein's trouble - that gravity
appears to act at the speed of or perhaps faster than light, and that we have no good way to measure it. Black holes are places where gravity acts
fast enough to pull light backwards and back into the hole - inferring that it may act faster. It was really just a misconception and a
misunderstanding.
Woo, looong post! No hard feelings intended.
[edit on 8-1-2005 by Viendin]
