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Sanders Beats All Top Republican Candidates In Latest Poll

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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: amicktd

Yea a country thats not riddled with corruption...that would be a start.


Boy you do not get out much, checkout the rest of the world and the US would not look so bad.




posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: amicktd

Yea a country thats not riddled with corruption...that would be a start.


Boy you do not get out much, checkout the rest of the world and the US would not look so bad.


I've traveled the world, where have you been?



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

yep instead of seeking to improve ourselves we should all just loaf around and gloat about how at least theres someone worse

flawless logic



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: amicktd

I've traveled the world, where have you been?


I been to 70 plus countries all 7 continents. Most of those countries were not really good places some where really nice. Flying in the Air Force for 28 years kind of gets you places even the # holes. I lived in France, Germany and Japan for a good number of years too. Go to a country where you need to bribe everyone to get anything done, or not go to jail on some fake charges and you will see a different picture.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: amicktd

I've traveled the world, where have you been?


I been to 70 plus countries all 7 continents. Most of those countries were not really good places some where really nice. Flying in the Air Force for 28 years kind of gets you places even the # holes. I lived in France, Germany and Japan for a good number of years too. Go to a country where you need to bribe everyone to get anything done, or not go to jail on some fake charges and you will see a different picture.


We're not voting for a president in these places, we're discussing the next President of the United States. Of course there are worse places, like Mogadishu for example. That's not the topic here though.
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If you honestly think our government and big business isn't corrupt, then I have nothing else to debate with you on this topic. Have a nice day!
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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: fartlordsupreme

yep instead of seeking to improve ourselves we should all just loaf around and gloat about how at least theres someone worse

flawless logic


I'm not saying we can't improve, most likely a lot, but to say the US is "riddled with corruption" I'm trying to figure out what does that mean, so comparing it to the rest of the world it doesn't look so "riddled". BTW does anyone think Sanders is going to fix it all? Hell I would love to see the Fed Reserve disappear, I would love to see banks fair due to their short comings, I would love to see many more too just like you, but it is hard to suggest we are "riddled with corruption". I live a pretty damn good life and I never had to bribe anyone...just saying.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: amicktd

We're not voting for a president in these places, we're discussing the next President of the United States. Of course there are worse places, like Mogadishu for example. That's not the topic here though.

If you honestly think our government and big business isn't corrupt, then I have nothing else to debate with you on this topic. Have a nice day!


You asked, what do you want me to say. I disagree with your "riddled with corruption" statement, so see the above post it might help.



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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
Go to a country where you need to bribe everyone to get anything done, or not go to jail on some fake charges and you will see a different picture.


We have that here too. We call it the justice system. Only it's more subtle and the term used are cloaked in a sort of double-speak and word games.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
We have that here too. We call it the justice system. Only it's more subtle and the term used are cloaked in a sort of double-speak and word games.


I'm not very fond of it either. Once you get in it you can't get out of it without extreme effort. It totally ruins lives that I feel do not need to be ruined in such a way. Take DWI, someone gets one with no accident or issues and it is a one way ticket to hell. In many cases it is lost of job, lost of driving, massive money issues that can lead to homelessness, miss one meeting due not being able to drive anymore and bam the justice comes down even harder etc. We do have the old "respect my authority" attitude that seems to drive a lot of this, so yes there are issues, not sure if you call it corruption or just a screwed up system that is not really in favor of the people.

My life goal so far has been to not get in the system period, works for me so far.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Oh I know. Been there once myself although that was 20 years ago and it's much worse now. But even then it was no picnic. The counselor for my classes was cool though. An ex cop and ex alcoholic himself. He had some great stories too. Many of them were about how corrupt our own local PD was actually. I live in a kinda small town with even smaller ones in the area so we have a major "good old boy" network of police around here. He was the only positive thing I can say about the whole thing.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I'm curious how Bernie would erode the Constitution?

He doesn't talk about banning guns...
He doesn't talk about more surveillance or expanding on the ndaa or Patriot act.
He is against prisoning those who shouldn't be in prison.
He's pro abortion, pro Marijuana usage
He's against corrupt corporations..

I don't understand why people think socialism is anti American? I'm asking an honest question not trying to posit my position and be stubborn in it, but it sounds like Bernie would at least be on the right track.. We've lost so many freedoms from. The government and the rich, for him to challenge those forms of corruptions... Seems like it would at least pave the road for a better America, maybe he could be in for 4 years, then we could get someone to the right of him in, maybe someone closet to a libertarian. It's not like he can transform America into a communist government run nation in just a few years..



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

That's the thing. The popular rhetoric among the right is that Socialism = Communism. This allows them to discount one (Socialism) without actually looking into what it really is by associating it with a known evil (Communism).
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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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This academia Jew can't even hold a podium let alone a country. You're all delusional



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: LiberLegit
This academia Jew can't even hold a podium let alone a country. You're all delusional


How about you come up with a Legit argument and quit wasting precious bandwidth.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: LiberLegit
This academia Jew can't even hold a podium let alone a country. You're all delusional


Wow, that was so informative!!! With just a hint of racism too. First a baseless opinion and then a general insult. You are a true scholar that's for sure and a good representative of those in your camp.

If that is really the best you people can come up with it's pathetic and lame. Why you would even bother to write that is beyond me.
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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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Why should you not vote for Sanders?

He is a Progressive as are most 'New Democrats'. He, along with all of the others, want to bring about the ideals that were first proposed in the late 1800's and was initiated with President Woodrow Wilson and were cemented into our nation with the New Deal and FDR. They created everything that controls us as a population. Look up the 1910 meeting on Jekyll Island that explains how those with the money created the formula to have total control by the government which was the opposite of what our Constitution wanted.

This is a plan 100 years in the making by those who control the politicians in this country.

This is why I cannot vote for anyone in the Democratic Party. It is time to read about the history of our country and stop simply voting on party lines and stating I won't vote for them because (insert past president) because they are (insert party).

Does this mean that the Republicans will have someone better, no, but it will depend on who is put forward.

I hope this was more informative than simply calling him a jew....



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
Why should you not vote for Sanders?

He is a Progressive as are most 'New Democrats'. He, along with all of the others, want to bring about the ideals that were first proposed in the late 1800's and was initiated with President Woodrow Wilson and were cemented into our nation with the New Deal and FDR. They created everything that controls us as a population. Look up the 1910 meeting on Jekyll Island that explains how those with the money created the formula to have total control by the government which was the opposite of what our Constitution wanted.

This is a plan 100 years in the making by those who control the politicians in this country.

This is why I cannot vote for anyone in the Democratic Party. It is time to read about the history of our country and stop simply voting on party lines and stating I won't vote for them because (insert past president) because they are (insert party).

Does this mean that the Republicans will have someone better, no, but it will depend on who is put forward.

I hope this was more informative than simply calling him a jew....


From what I read, those involved were all Republicans, bankers, and economic scholars.

Here is the link to what I read:
Jekyll Island
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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
Why should you not vote for Sanders?


Because for decades we've been told anything at all which has the word "socialist" attributed to it is evil regardless of how many good things have come of socialist policies.


He is a Progressive as are most 'New Democrats'. He, along with all of the others, want to bring about the ideals that were first proposed in the late 1800's and was initiated with President Woodrow Wilson and were cemented into our nation with the New Deal and FDR. They created everything that controls us as a population. Look up the 1910 meeting on Jekyll Island that explains how those with the money created the formula to have total control by the government which was the opposite of what our Constitution wanted.


That's one way to look at it I suppose. But instead of viewing Sanders through the labels like "socialist" or "progressive" why not judge him for who he is and what he's about politically. Looking at his history and voting record and what his policies are do you really think he's on the side of some small group of Wealthy Control Freaks??? Does he seem like he'd be in support of the kind of ideas the Wealthy Elite were talking about at Jekyll Island???

The elite don't need Socialism to try and control the world. They can do it with Capitalism or any other ism if they are allowed to do so. That is because no matter the ism, it is the corruption and misuse of that ism that hurts us most. Bernie may be somewhat idealistic in thinking that Government is operating well enough at the moment to actually do good. But his socialist policies are geared to help the majority of people. The poor and middle class, not the wealthy.


I hope this was more informative than simply calling him a jew....

Yes that was nice.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

I do. I do not agree with all of the 'social reform' that he puts forward and he is in support of a large government. I am not dismissing him simply based on party. I was trying to convey that and sorry if I did not.

The political landscape in 2016 will be interesting to say the least...



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: Mikeyy
Yawn.

What exactly does the Burn offer that should make me at all excited about him?

Let me guess, free stuff...


It's not getting free stuff, its called getting what you deserve.


You deserve what you earn, nothing more. What someone else earns is not yours , nor do you have any claim to it. You'll use scum bags like Sanders to take it by force.



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