Turkey-Russia: A new perspective.

And here is the proof that I was right all along.

He suggested for the first time, however, that the plane was brought down because Turkey could not "morally" allow the plane to trespass on Turkish territory before bombing areas in Syria where ethnic Turkish populations live.

www.nytimes.com...

I think the topic title fits the news..

Tatars in Crimea forming up a military camp against Crimea and Turkey send them uniforms, equipment, etc.

There is an auto-translate option under the main article title and photo.

link

a reply to: Ploutonas

Tatars in Crimea forming up a military camp against Crimea and Turkey send them uniforms, equipment, etc.

Can you blame them...

Russian authorities have forced Crimean Tatars to become Russian citizens and curtailed their freedoms of speech, language, education, and residence—as well as their right to a fair trial. That's according to an independent group of Turkish scholars sent to Crimea to investigate human rights violations after Russia annexed the peninsula on March 18, 2014.

www.atlanticcouncil.org...

And as to why Turkey would help them...

www.iccrimea.org...

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

big words for little people... Freedom of speech? Are you kidding me? Anybody who speaks or make political drawings, or satyr in Turkey goes to jail... Are you also implying that tatars are democrats? It sounded like a joke in my ears... while reading it.

And here is a alternative question. Ukraine, after the fiasco with the latest elections, banned many languages including my language (Hellenic) from schools, etc.. What is that? Ukraine in ancient years was Hellenic, crimea is in our mythology with Jason and the golden fleece. Over a half million Greeks live in Crimea and Ukraine today. Crimea and many other areas have ancient Hellenic temples and statues, most of them stolen and destroyed during the Ukraine and Crimea war and we speak about democrat tatars?

Turkey/tatars is one of the biggest human right violators in history. Did you know that since Ukraine split, only Crimea recognized the Hellenic community? Since 1-2 years ago, the official Ukraine government denied to do that. We didn't took guns and tried to destroy a country all these hundreds of years for it. So I would suggest, they have first to learn how to behave as humans and we can speak about the rest in a later date/age.

And since you become a russian citizen, you have no rights?

originally posted by: Ploutonas
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

big words for little people... Freedom of speech? Are you kidding me? Anybody who speaks or make political drawings, or satyr in Turkey goes to jail...

This is not true and anyone can perform a google search and see for themselves ; satire is used in Turkish politics and no one , including Erdogan is spared .
If what you say here is the Truth then how do you explain these results in google image search ;
www.google.com.tr...

Stop with your anti-turkish propaganda .



Are you also implying that tatars are democrats?

Tatars are genocide victims at the hands of Soviet dogs .


And here is a alternative question. Ukraine, after the fiasco with the latest elections, banned many languages including my language (Hellenic) from schools, etc.. What is that? Ukraine in ancient years was Hellenic, crimea is in our mythology with Jason and the golden fleece. Over a half million Greeks live in Crimea and Ukraine today. Crimea and many other areas have ancient Hellenic temples and statues, most of them stolen and destroyed during the Ukraine and Crimea war and we speak about democrat tatars?

Bullmanure of the highest quality again .
Even the name of peninsula is Turkish Crimea = Kirim .


Turkey/tatars is one of the biggest human right violators in history. Did you know that since Ukraine split, only Crimea recognized the Hellenic community? Since 1-2 years ago, the official Ukraine government denied to do that. We didn't took guns and tried to destroy a country all these hundreds of years. So I would suggest, they have first learn to behave as humans and we can speak about the rest in a later date/age.

You are just sooooo wrong on so many counts ,I wouldn't even know where to begin to correct your information.
Turks live in Ukraine & Russia & Greece ; your world view is really , really , I mean , really f..ed up .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Ploutonas
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

big words for little people... Freedom of speech? Are you kidding me? Anybody who speaks or make political drawings, or satyr in Turkey goes to jail...

This is not true and anyone can perform a google search and see for themselves ; satire is used in Turkish politics and no one , including Erdogan is spared .
If what you say here is the Truth then how do you explain these results in google image search ;
www.google.com.tr...

Stop with your anti-turkish propaganda .



Are you also implying that tatars are democrats?

Tatars are genocide victims at the hands of Soviet dogs .


And here is a alternative question. Ukraine, after the fiasco with the latest elections, banned many languages including my language (Hellenic) from schools, etc.. What is that? Ukraine in ancient years was Hellenic, crimea is in our mythology with Jason and the golden fleece. Over a half million Greeks live in Crimea and Ukraine today. Crimea and many other areas have ancient Hellenic temples and statues, most of them stolen and destroyed during the Ukraine and Crimea war and we speak about democrat tatars?

Bullmanure of the highest quality again .
Even the name of peninsula is Turkish Crimea = Kirim .


Turkey/tatars is one of the biggest human right violators in history. Did you know that since Ukraine split, only Crimea recognized the Hellenic community? Since 1-2 years ago, the official Ukraine government denied to do that. We didn't took guns and tried to destroy a country all these hundreds of years. So I would suggest, they have first learn to behave as humans and we can speak about the rest in a later date/age.

You are just sooooo wrong on so many counts ,I wouldn't even know where to begin to correct your information.
Turks live in Ukraine & Russia & Greece ; your world view is really , really , I mean , really f..ed up .

First go learn some history, the original name of Crimea is Taurine (Taurus) and Tatars/ottomans destroyed it, occupied it and changed the name. And yes please begin... Lets have a conversation. As for the satyra and political arrests in Turkey, what all these articles we read very often, are about.

this is a 2014 news, Russia suggests to change the crimea name into the original.. link and that also posted in our press You have to translate them with google translator or any other translator.

but let me not force you into real history, lets speak about what kind of right tatars want and they dont have it. Give me some examples, what freedom of speech is about. Russians are very vocal, they have plenty of freedom of speech.

originally posted by: Ploutonas
First go learn some history, the original name of Crimea is Taurine (Taurus) and Tatars/ottomans destroyed it, occupied it and changed the name. And yes please begin... Lets have a conversation. As for the satyra and political arrests in Turkey, what all these articles we read very often, are about.

Yes lets review history. Lets start with the fact it was a part of (conquered)the Roman Empire dating back to 117 AD, after being dominated by the Greeks). The indigenous population, called the Tauri (Scythotauri, Tauri Scythae, Tauroscythae) settled the area. Note - settled and not conquered. It was settled by the Tauri and the Sycthae during the iron age (1200bc).

It was then conquered / Independent by:
Kievan Rus'
The Mongols
Independent Crimean Khanate (Tatars)
The Ottoman Empire
The Cossack Oncursions
The Russian Empire to 1917
The Russian Civil war -

Crimean People's Republic—December 1917–January 1918—Crimean Tatar government
Taurida Soviet Socialist Republic—19 March 1918 – 30 April 1918—Bolshevik government
German and Ukrainian People's Republic occupation—May 1918–June 1918
First Crimean Regional Government—25 June 1918 – 25 November 1918—German puppet state under Lipka Tatar General Maciej (Suleyman) Sulkiewicz
Second Crimean Regional Government—November 1918–April 1919—Anti-Bolshevik government under Crimean Karaite former Kadet member Solomon Krym
Crimean Socialist Soviet Republic—2 April 1919–June 1919—Bolshevik government
South Russian Government—February 1920–April 1920—Government of White movement's General Anton Denikin
Government of South Russia—April 1920 (officially, 16 August 1920)–16 November 1920—Government of White movement's General Pyotr Wrangel
Bolshevik Revolutionary committee government—November 1920–18 October 1921—Bolshevik government under Béla Kun (until 20 February 1921), then Mikhail Poliakov
Crimean Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic—18 October 1921 – 30 June 1945—Autonomous republic of the RSFSR in the Soviet Union

The USSR to 1991


Your attempt to blame The Tatars / Ottomans is laughable since history doesnt seem to agree with you. Secondly its been dominated by Russia, The USSR, and Russia after they invaded the region.

originally posted by: Ploutonas
this is a 2014 news, Russia suggests to change the crimea name into the original.. link and that also posted in our press You have to translate them with google translator or any other translator.

Changing a name doesn't change the illegal russian occupation of Crimea by Russia.

originally posted by: Ploutonas
but let me not force you into real history, lets speak about what kind of right tatars want and they dont have it. Give me some examples, what freedom of speech is about. Russians are very vocal, they have plenty of freedom of speech.

Deportation of Crimean Tatars

The forcible deportation of the Crimean Tatars from Crimea was ordered by Joseph Stalin as a form of collective punishment for alleged collaboration with the Nazi occupation regime in Taurida Subdistrict during 1942-1943. The state-organized removal is known as the Sürgünlik in Crimean Tatar. A total of more than 230,000 people were deported, mostly to the Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic. This included the entire ethnic Crimean Tatar population, at the time about a fifth of the total population of the Crimean Peninsula, as well as smaller numbers of ethnic Greeks and Bulgarians. A large number of deportees (more than 100,000 according to a 1960s survey by Crimean Tatar activists) died from starvation or disease as a direct result of deportation. It is considered to be a case of ethnic cleansing.[2][3][4] For a long time Crimean Tatars and Soviet dissidents called for recognition of the genocide of Crimean Tatars. On November 12, 2015 parliament of Ukraine adopted a resolution recognizing the event as a genocide and declared 18 May as a Day of Remembrance for the victims of Crimean Tatar genocide.[5]

During destalinization the deportation was denounced by the Soviet government, nevertheless the Crimean Tatars were denied the right of return up until late perestroika times.

* - More Than a Year After Annexation, Crimean Tatars Need Allies
* - Loyal to Ukraine, Tatars lie low as Russia seizes Crimea
* - 'Russia's treatment of Crimean Tatars echoes mistakes made by Soviets'
* - Russia and the Tatars Divide and digest

There are some examples of the lack of freedoms courtesy of Russia, especially towards the Tatars. Did you learn your history from the same idiot professor as your other argument?

originally posted by: Ploutonas


First go learn some history, the original name of Crimea is Taurine (Taurus) and Tatars/ottomans destroyed it, occupied it and changed the name.

Are you sure that you want to " Go there " ? I think I am the only resident of ATS with Kimmerian/Kipchak/Khazarian back story . I wouldn't " Go there " if I were you . You weren't the only people around in ancient times .

We were there too .


And yes please begin... Lets have a conversation. As for the satyra and political arrests in Turkey, what all these articles we read very often, are about.

Turkish magazines draw Erdogan in all sorts of funny and not so funny ways . There is absolutely NO TRUTH to the supposed ban on things in Turkish Media .
Political arrests ?
We currently have an MP in parliament who accuses government of supplying Sarin Gas [ of course with no f'ing evidence whatsoever ] ; he ain't in jail .

Turks have main opposition party who AGREES with Russians about the plane incident and calls for Erdogan's resignation day after day on the media columns and cartoons.

You are SOOOO ignorant of your subject matter, it is not even funny anymore .


this is a 2014 news, Russia suggests to change the crimea name into the original..

Yeah , you can talk , YUNANISTAN .

Mate , you've got a country name that ends with -STAN and you lol at Turks ?

My guess is that what you'll bring to the table of Turks & Russians is really delicious and yummy , a bit like mixed meze and a Turkish Yoghurt , followed by Turkish Baklava , in a manner of speaking .




but let me not force you into real history, lets speak about what kind of right tatars want and they dont have it. Give me some examples, what freedom of speech is about. Russians are very vocal, they have plenty of freedom of speech.

Russians join Nato and dissolve their military .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Ploutonas


First go learn some history, the original name of Crimea is Taurine (Taurus) and Tatars/ottomans destroyed it, occupied it and changed the name.

Are you sure that you want to " Go there " ? I think I am the only resident of ATS with Kimmerian/Kipchak/Khazarian back story . I wouldn't " Go there " if I were you . You weren't the only people around in ancient times .

We were there too .


And yes please begin... Lets have a conversation. As for the satyra and political arrests in Turkey, what all these articles we read very often, are about.

Turkish magazines draw Erdogan in all sorts of funny and not so funny ways . There is absolutely NO TRUTH to the supposed ban on things in Turkish Media .
Political arrests ?
We currently have an MP in parliament who accuses government of supplying Sarin Gas [ of course with no f'ing evidence whatsoever ] ; he ain't in jail .

Turks have main opposition party who AGREES with Russians about the plane incident and calls for Erdogan's resignation day after day on the media columns and cartoons.

You are SOOOO ignorant of your subject matter, it is not even funny anymore .


this is a 2014 news, Russia suggests to change the crimea name into the original..

Yeah , you can talk , YUNANISTAN .

Mate , you've got a country name that ends with -STAN and you lol at Turks ?

My guess is that what you'll bring to the table of Turks & Russians is really delicious and yummy , a bit like mixed meze and a Turkish Yoghurt , followed by Turkish Baklava , in a manner of speaking .




but let me not force you into real history, lets speak about what kind of right tatars want and they dont have it. Give me some examples, what freedom of speech is about. Russians are very vocal, they have plenty of freedom of speech.

Russians join Nato and dissolve their military .

No my country does not ends into a STAN... its just ur vocals are not capable of spelling divine words and you spell things like Vrills.. its not our fault. Also you should know that Yninstan does not refer to the entire ELLINES, but a tribe of Ellines lived in today China, called IONES.. but as I described above, you cannot spell it and your kind paraphrased it into yuninstan or the chinese YAN or Yunan (I dont know your spelling very well). Mongoloids didnt killed Iones, chinese did and took the today china, your kind is mongoloids, mongoloids is a mixture of yellow race with white race or black race. You are a result of rapes from ancient wars and genocides. That is how the original 4 hordes of mongoloids created... dragon, turtle, tiger and monkeys. (monkeys are tatars and ottomans). Chinese kicked you out by force and you start expanding. Well most of these things are your pre-history, before mongoloids appear. Some Iones saved and migrated in western Ellas and Rome and this part of the seas is called Ionian seas or Yunan seas ...

And russians are more like of your kind, they have the syberians which are ancient pelasgian tribe (whatever left there), they have some syberian blood on them, Kozzaks are also ancient tribe, which you tried to destroy so much, but they fought you well. Russians destroyed Kozzaks later. I believe TATARS wont have any issues living with Russians today. As can see, we dont give much of a thing for russians the way it is, but when you speak about Syberians or Kozzaks and other tribes, we care allot.

Let me make you feel it more better. All religions have the filthy races that god will command to kill all or something like it (thats your god plan with the chosens).. These races do filthy things, also eat bugs, flies, etc ( this info is taken from relligius books)... Which god is that most important and did you got a picture of these races? Religions camouflaged them, that god will open a hole in the ground and these races will pop out from under the crust... well.. guess *its not something personal with turks or turkey - as you keep telling me.

a reply to: Ploutonas

When does your sheet come back from the cleaners?

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
If Turkey came into Syria from the rear, would Greece help?

I hope this comment doesn't disappear too soon.

Greece would just make it easier for Russia to come in, full force lmao. ISIS is Turkish spec ops out of uniform lol. I hope Russia slaughters all those Muslim Brotherhood scumbags and lets alah sort them out on the desert floor after the birds have taken their fair share.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

No Greece wouldn't...

Only Russia would back stab an ally to such extent....

Today Syrian army attacked Goland mounts (borders with israel) and removed the fanatic islamists which they have come to control for over 2 years, in Al Qunaytirah.

Russians didnt took part because this area is few hundred meters from Israel, so in order to avoid any violations of airspace, Syrian army used the weather conditions (heavy fog) and with thermal helmets they killed and removed all occupants.

the link bellow must be translated with google translate (under the main article picture pick your flag for auto translate)
link

And the bellow news is a free cookie from Turkey.
www.todayszaman.com...
Turks still dreaming EU... lol

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

rebel turks in syria are not the same thing as citizens.

and theyve been fighting ISIS? when? if they are its definitely not at the order of their government.

originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: OccamsRazor04



and theyve been fighting ISIS? when? if they are its definitely not at the order of their government.

Turkmen militia enlisted to patrol Syria anti-Isil buffer zone Turkmen groups issue call for volunteers to enlist in proposed police force that will be tasked with policing buffer zone in Syria along Turkey border

Turkmen Militia enlist against ISIL

ISIL Executes Turkmen Women Refusing 'Jihad Marriage' According to Iraqi media, terrorist ISIL organization executed Turkmen women refusing the jihad marriage in Mosul.

ISIL Executes Turkmen Woman For refusing " Jihad Marriage " .



The truth is Turkmen are being ethnically cleansed from their own lands .

Turkmen has the worst case scenario ; Asad on the one side , ISIL on the other side .

a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

So rebel turks are not citizens, but rebel Russians are? Hey pot, meet kettle, and hypocrisy.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

i didnt say that did i. im not aware of their situation. if its their home, if they were born there and live there then it is their home. but please keep assuming sh1t.

and if they are fighting isis then they have my full support. my comment was wrote from ignorance. and someone was nice enough to give me some explanation. im kind of an asshole so i come off as stand offish.