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Turkey-Russia: A new perspective.

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posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 06:01 AM
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a reply to: SLAYER69

Very well put indeed .







posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: SLAYER69

Nice way to silence the opposition - use facts.

Nice job.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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Sure, they can do that.

Are you still trying to distract people from the fact that Turkey support ISIS militarily. And that Erdogan's son runs a transport company that moves ISIS oil around? And that Turkey train Islamic militants? And provide them fake Turkish passports?



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: Logman

As has been stated feel free to source your claims. So far no one has.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Logman

As has been stated feel free to source your claims. So far no one has.

It's all laid out pretty clearly in this article.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 07:32 AM
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a reply to: Logman

Anything with named sources? Its an interesting read but I have issues when unnamed sources are used.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 07:37 AM
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originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
It should be mentioned on this thread, or a reminder, that the Syrian government invited Russia to help them with forces fighting against them. Obviously by definition, forces fighting against a government should be classified as "terrorist group(s)".


So the forces fighting against the Ukrainian Government by your own definition are terrorist groups backed by Russia.

Got it

thanks for clearing that up



In that case , the west should be supporting Assad, don't you think?



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat

In that case , the west should be supporting Assad, don't you think?


Why, is Russia annexing "reclaiming" part of their territory as well?




posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
More like the Turks are buying oil from ISIS and shipping them weapons. Fighting them? no, not really.


Yes, this view is being repeated in all discussions on this. However, is there any evidence that ISIS are selling oil to the Turkish under the watchful eye of the Turkish authorities?

This is a situation where the more something is repeated, the more it becomes fact! The fact that this allegation is being so vociferously highlighted at this moment in time, just indicates the efficiency of Russian's propaganda machine.

It's all about slurring the enemy. Remember it happened in Ukraine. They were all Nazis!


Ya, there is proof. You just have to do some simple sluthing.

Meet Bilal Erdogan

Hey, they ran guns into Mexico, why would an ocean stop them from doing it here where there is so much more at stake? Turkey isn't doing ANYTHING other than allowing the US to use Incirlik AB. Meanwhile it is well known that the Turkish border is being used to smuggle weapons and supplies to ISIS. And the only fighting they really do is against the Kurds.

Just google it and go through it all yourself. This isn't really "news" per se. Anyone paying attention has been aware of this for sometime now.

This is a Danish documentary on Europeans being smuggled into Syria via Turkey to fight with ISIS. If people and weapons can go one way, illegal oil sales can definitely go the other. Corruption seems well and alive in Turkey. Someone somewhere is paying for this oil. And it just simply would not make sense if Russia was buying it...because they are the ones releasing all the videos of them destroying it.

European Jihadi
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And for all of you who need sources for the obvious, I think it is at a point where YOU need to prove that Turkey/US/NATO ISN'T involved with ISIS. I appreciate the vetting of proper info, but for many of you, your info seeking is getting to the level of trolls.
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Turkey Arrests Journalists

So what does it take to connect the dots? Are we just best turning a blind eye to these events now?
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posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Interesting thread.

The whole thing makes my head spin. A pox on all of them.

Not one single political leader in this mess worth any trust.

Putin, Obama, Assad, the jerk running Turkey, Iran, Iraq, The Saudis....All of them liars with hidden agendas.

The only possible exception that I can see are the Kurds who get support from no one.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

You said it best. They are all snakes! None can be trusted.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: Flatcoat

In that case , the west should be supporting Assad, don't you think?


Why, is Russia annexing "reclaiming" part of their territory as well?



Thank's for the reply...doesn't make much sense, but hey..



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat

Thank's for the reply...doesn't make much sense, but hey..


Neither would your scenario of the West supporting Assad.

But hey



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Interesting thread.

The whole thing makes my head spin. A pox on all of them.

Not one single political leader in this mess worth any trust.

Putin, Obama, Assad, the jerk running Turkey, Iran, Iraq, The Saudis....All of them liars with hidden agendas.

The only possible exception that I can see are the Kurds who get support from no one.



Quite sad since the Kurds are probably the only ones in this mess that deserves support. I am not against removing land from Syria and Turkey to form a free Kurdistan. They deserve a place to call home to live free from all the people around them playing geopolitical chess. People should be allowed self determination regardless if it is in Ukraine, Donetsk, Crimea, Syria, Turkey, Great Britain without geopolitical manipulation from US, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Iran.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: LittleByLittle

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Interesting thread.

The whole thing makes my head spin. A pox on all of them.

Not one single political leader in this mess worth any trust.

Putin, Obama, Assad, the jerk running Turkey, Iran, Iraq, The Saudis....All of them liars with hidden agendas.

The only possible exception that I can see are the Kurds who get support from no one.



Quite sad since the Kurds are probably the only ones in this mess that deserves support. I am not against removing land from Syria and Turkey to form a free Kurdistan. They deserve a place to call home to live free from all the people around them playing geopolitical chess. People should be allowed self determination regardless if it is in Ukraine, Donetsk, Crimea, Syria, Turkey, Great Britain without geopolitical manipulation from US, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Iran.


Bush should have done that after taking out Saddam. Split the three ethnicities into three 'countries' with a European-style permanent military presence, Oh no, that would upset Turkey and the fear of a potential Kurdistan....can't have that.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
It should be mentioned on this thread, or a reminder, that the Syrian government invited Russia to help them with forces fighting against them. Obviously by definition, forces fighting against a government should be classified as "terrorist group(s)".


So the forces fighting against the Ukrainian Government by your own definition are terrorist groups backed by Russia.

Got it

thanks for clearing that up



A dictionary can be your friend


Additionally, the two situations are entirely different although they share a common factor in that Yanukovych was ousted illegally:



Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko appealed to the country’s constitutional court, asking the court to recognize the ousting of former President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014 as illegitimate.


sputniknews.com...

Quite probably he was ousted through western influence. In Turkey, we have Erdogan who has western sympathies who now seems to have stepped up to the plate against Russia (Not ISIL/ISIS) which is in complete parallel with the U.S. agenda, who's actual main objective is to see Assad removed from power.

The main common factor is obviously western meddling.
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posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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In that case , the west should be supporting Assad, don't you think?


In all fairness they are with fighting ISIS, but aren't when it comes to Syria...strange world we live in.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum




A dictionary can be you friend


It surely can...be your friend.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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Neither would your scenario of the West supporting Assad.


But doesn't fighting ISIS in a strange way mean the west is supporting Assad in that regards?

As for anything else concerning Assad not a chance.



posted on Nov, 27 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Nope.. They both, isis and assad, are bad.




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