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Imagine you're a university student in a library, minding your own business when a group of protesters bursts through the doors. One of those protesters marches up to you and screams insults in your face, angrily demanding that you jump to your feet and denounce all of the misdeeds of all of the members of your "race" or be branded an accomplice.
Do I need to go any further? We live in a world where there are a lot of bad people doing a lot of bad things.
"Then consider the disgusting things that are being said by others and by some of you — in your daily lives, in the news, on social media and even in threads on ATS. "
So I ask you how is this any different?
It is not. It is just the popular flavor of the day to suddenly call people out as hypocrites and stupid, but it looks like you are well on your way to receiving 200+ flags for this supportive rant. So it must be working for some here on ATS.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: nfflhome
He's saying that demanding that Muslims speak up again Muslim extremism is terrible rhetoric and an unfair demand to make of moderate Muslims. He is doing this by using an analogy to the Dartmouth incident to drive home how it would feel if the tables were turned and someone was demanding YOU account for the terrible actions of other people in the same demographic as you.
See. The Russians had no time to vet them, to sort who was infected and who wasn't. So in a ruthless, brutal move, they gassed them to separate them in the only sure way to preserve the still healthy ones who had been vetted up ahead.
Anyhow ... No, I am in no way advocating we gas anyone. But my point is that the refugee flood is working against us in a similar way. We have mostly innocent, panicking people fleeing the area too quickly to be really processed and vetted. We can't tell who's good and who's not, and those who do know can't/won't turn in friends, neighbors, family.
What's different in this case is the volume and extreme vitriol of the rhetoric in response to it.
Do you honestly believe that the " volume and extreme vitriol of the rhetoric" is any worse with this group then with any other?
I don't think it is right that any person or group, should be unfairly attacked or mistreated in anyway. I just think it is wrong that suddenly it is being addressed as a problem when in it is support of only one particular group.
Personally I don't think this post, and the so many others that has popped up on ATS, in defense of a single group is having the effect you may have been hoping for. In fact if there was dissension before, I think these accusatory, scolding, and judgmental, rants don't help, they make it worse.
Fair point but the counterpoint to that is that unfairly attacking every Muslim in the world for the actions of a small percentage only makes it easier for extremists to grow their ranks.
There are more than 5 million Muslims in America right now (like me ). There are roughly 20,000 cities & towns in the US. That comes out to roughly 250 American Muslims for every city and town in America.
There is a small oversight in this post. Asking muslims to denounce extremists who are murdering innocent people is not the same as demanding a white person denounce things that happened 50-150 years ago.
Wow, so much BS it's going to be hard to get through it all.
First, I've not seen anyone deny that this was about race. Obviously this was a racist attack against black people. However, excuse us if we don't get all up in arms about it. Remember the black thug game knock out? Where they'd pick a random white person and try to knock them out in one hit? Where was your outrage about racism then?
Second, we are over the racism. I don't care if your black, white, brown, purple, or grey. Nor do 98% of americans. Racism, by any measure, is dead. You will have disturbed people who do racist things and this was absolutely one of those incidents. I hope the kid gets the death penalty. Not because he killed black people, not because he was racist, but because he killed 9 people.
Third, Islam teaches hatred. Islam teaches murder. Islam teaches terrorism. Islam is the root of the problem and there have been many, many incidents of islamic followers attacking people in the name of allah. I don't know if this kid was supposedly christian, but if he was, he wasn't living christianity. Conversely, the muslims attacking people were living islam. See the difference there?
Fourth, I already covered why his religion wasn't brought into it. We all k now he was heavily influenced by media and militia. Call it right wing if you'd like. But remember,the political spectrum isn't a line. It is a circle and the far left and far right are right next to each other on one side of the circle.
Fifth, Who are these "White right wing militias" you speak of? Please, explain. You say that we don't look at what is causing white men to commit terrorism and mass shootings, but we already know. In all of the other cases that come to mind, it was medications. It has nothing to do with fox news or other "right wing media" any more than it has to do with violent video games and movies.
Please stop with the sanctimonious BS and come back to earth.